[App_rpt-users] GMRS linked Repeater network using HAMVoIP
Joe Leikhim
rhyolite at leikhim.com
Mon Feb 18 18:20:19 UTC 2019
I am not sure that the PSTN or (North America numbering plan) NANP even
exist in the regulatory world of the FCC today. A reread of the current
rules finds those definitions no longer exist.
On 2/18/2019 1:05 PM, Pierre Martel wrote:
> So from what I can understand. you can link them if the method to link
> is not connected to a pstn line. Now If I am not too crazy, that would
> mean that a user that have only a dsl line on site could link by RF
> (using an wifi access point and a wifi client network card ) to by
> pass the interconnection to the pstn.. So it is very easy to not be
> connected to a pstn network. The othe part aboit interconnected voip
> system. It is easy to build a voip system that have no link to any
> pstn network (allstarlink being one) But it is as easy to connect that
> voip system to a pstn system. Grey is predominant in that situation.
>
> Pierre
> VE2PF
>
> Le lun. 18 févr. 2019 à 12:20, Brad Trogdon <Brad at trogdon.org
> <mailto:Brad at trogdon.org>> a écrit :
>
> Thank you for the reply but you provide no answers to my very
> specific questions.
>
> Please see my reply to your questions and comments noted by ">>>"
>
>
> Has anything been settled with HamVoIP as an attempt to run off
> with Jim’s work? As of this date I do not believe it has been.
> >>> What does HamVoIP have to do with the linking of GMRS Repeaters?
>
> In a shared repeater/simplex channel environment, it is always
> good to be able to monitor the input before keying up a repeater.
> In a linked system that’s not possible unless you do the BCLO in
> each repeater. Never saw that work out too well mixed mode.
> >>> Not sure you understand how radios work. If a station is
> strong / close enough to the repeater to be heard then they are
> otherwise the users of the repeater users will talk over the
> "Unheard users".
>
> https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/47/95.1749
> >>> Cornell is not the authority. Federal Register in its entirety
> is
> https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2017/08/29/2017-17395/personal-radio-service-reform#sectno-citation-%E2%80%8995.1701
> . The URL which you provided references " telephone connection is
> prohibited". What leads you to believe that telephone is
> connected? In my specific situation Telco is not even connected
> to the building. So no chance of violation.
>
> So if you have an organized group or club engaged in linking GMRS
> repeaters together and one of them is in violation related to
> telco, does that mean the collective network is 9/10 legal?
> >>> 1. GMRS Repeater linking as an ability or practice is not an
> "Organized Group". 2. No, the one person is the offender not the
> others whom are in compliance. Its against the rules to use foul
> language on radio frequencies. If another station is and you hear
> it but don't reciprocate does that make you and offender of the
> rules? No and that logic is silly if you believe true.
>
> >>> Are you questioning your local GMRS folks whom are charging
> for access (Membership) to their closed system that is using
> apt_rpt (AllStar)? *www.NorthGeorgiaGMRS.com
> <http://www.northgeorgiagmrs.com/>* is a single organized group of
> 30 GMRS Linked repeaters. I'm not a betting person but I would
> venture to guess that DSL is in the mix.
>
>
> <<< FCC Correspondence via email on the topic. >>>
> Case Id: HD0000002998556
>
> Summary: Licensing Requirements
>
> Description: There seems to be a lot of confusion as to whether
> linking the audio of two or more GMRS repeaters via an internet
> connection is permitted or prohibited under the part 95 rules.
>
> Could we please get some sort of clarification as to whether this
> is a strictly prohibited action per part 95 rules?
>
> Thank you.
>
> Solution Description: Dear Mr. *******,
>
> GMRS stations may not be interconnected to the public switched
> telephone network as per 95.127. However, proposing to use a VoIP
> link between the two repeater sites is permissible if the link is
> considered non-interconnected VoIP. VoIP can either be an
> interconnected VoIP service or non-interconnected VoIP service,
> see the definitions below. It is my understanding that if your
> internet provider is the cable company, it’s fine; but if you have
> DSL or dial-up internet from the phone company, it isn’t.
>
> The second method using RF to link the two repeater sites is
> allowed so long as the link meets the rules and limitations for
> fixed stations pursuant to the Part 95 rules.
>
> §64.601
>
> (23) Non-interconnected VoIP service. The term “non-interconnected
> VoIP service”—
>
> (i) Means a service that—
>
> (A) Enables real-time voice communications that originate from or
> terminate to the user's location using Internet protocol or any
> successor protocol; and
>
> (B) Requires Internet protocol compatible customer premises
> equipment; and
>
> (ii) Does not include any service that is an interconnected VoIP
> service.
>
> §9.3
>
> Interconnected VoIP service. An interconnected Voice over Internet
> protocol (VoIP) service is a service that:
>
> (1) Enables real-time, two-way voice communications;
>
> (2) Requires a broadband connection from the user's location;
>
> (3) Requires Internet protocol-compatible customer premises
> equipment (CPE); and
>
> (4) Permits users generally to receive calls that originate on the
> public switched telephone network and to terminate calls to the
> public switched telephone network.
>
> The rules may be found at the following
> website:https://www.fcc.gov/general/rules-regulations-title-47
>
> Should you have any further questions, or need additional
> information, please submit a request
> throughhttps://esupport.fcc.gov/onlinerequest.htmor call the FCC
> Licensing Support Center at 1-877-480-3201, selecting option 2
> after the main menu.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> FCC Licensing Support Center
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