[App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough

Wed Jul 3 17:57:47 UTC 2019

I feel like many people on this list don’t understand the relevance of
source code and why the HamVoip image has done anything wrong because many
are just end users, and on the outside it is free and has great support.

Why does the source matter?

The core foundation of amateur radio is based on the ability to experiment
and modify things to make it better.

Without the source, the hamvoip image is something that we can only be a
user of, and cannot make improvement for ourselves. If we have custom
ideas.

Think about a radio that physically will not let you put your soldering
iron and multimeter in it without self destructing.

On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:09 AM Jeremy Lincicome <w0jrl1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is crazy! I've never seen
>
> Bryan Fields so angry!
> Yes... I agree with him.
>
> Jeremy
>
>
> -------- Forwarded Message --------
> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Lies, damn lies, and John David McGough
> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 08:06:44 -0400
> From: Bryan Fields <Bryan at bryanfields.net> <Bryan at bryanfields.net>
> Reply-To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
> <app_rpt-users at lists.allstarlink.org>
>
>
> On 7/2/19 8:45 PM, Brad Trogdon wrote:
>
> Not sure of your beef but from a users perspective having tried both
> AllStar and HamVoIP groups and offerings I have to say hands down the
> HamVoIP group contributes significantly more to the communities in the
>
> form
>
> of product, updates and support.
>
>
> Post the source. Without it, _nothing_ else is legal or matters.
>
> The better question; what does he have to hide?
>
> HamVoIP has contributed nothing to the AllStar community, but has stolen
> much
> from it. HamVoIP has _no_ right to distribute the AllStar code and is
> engaged
> in criminal copyright infringement against this community. This is
> trampling
> on the rights of every user and developer here; it's beyond reprehensible.
>
>
> Please define AllStar community. Being a user of the HamVoIP distribution I
> feel I am a member of the community but with an updated and feature rich
> version. To define stolen that means one would be deprived of use which I
> don’t see occurring.
>
>
> AllStar/asterisk/linux/et al. is Free Software licensed under the GPL
> version
> 2. You're free to use it, but if you give copies of it to anyone, you must
> give them the same rights you have. If you don't you have no right to it.
>
> John David has failed to distribute his software in accordance with the
> license, and has failed to cure this. He has no right to distribute it, and
> people with copies of his software have been given copies illegally.
>
> How are developers and users being negatively impacted? I see nothing but
> users and developers benefiting.
>
>
> He's taken away any ability to view the source, and make changes to the
> code.
> This is the core value of Free Software and why Jim developed this.
>
> Do you condone this?
>
>
> From my viewpoint as a user of well maintained and feature rich software,
> yes. I don’t see anyone being deprived.
>
>
> Produce the source, it's a legal requirement. I'd love to audit his code in
> something more than a disassembler.
>
> I appreciate their hard work and
> constant support to where I personally have donated when given the
> opportunity.
>
>
> All they have done is remove the by line and slap their own on name. Is
> this
> hard? Certainly not.
>
> Are you saying in a public forum you have paid him for HamVoIP?
>
> Their are more than Amateur usage of this tool. GMRS for example how would
> that group be shamed? Their are individuals whom use this for personal and
> private networks in the Amateur community. Is this not in the spirit of
> the applications creator?
>
>
> It's totally in the spirit of the freedom Jim intended, however this
> requires
> the source code to be open and any changes are covered by the same license.
> If Jim wanted it to be closed source, he'd have released it BSD licensed. I
> won't speak for his thoughts, but would think some of the first work he
> did on
> the Tormenta card showed why BSD isn't the ideal license for collaboration.
>
> I would work on fixing the problem Proactively and not flame others who
> are
>
> providing a service to the community at large.
>
>
> What service is he providing? What is he contributing if he's unable to
> abide
> by the basic tenets of the community?
>
>
> I believe I have answered the question of service and contributions.
>
>
> He's not contributed anything, rather he's dividing the community and has
> support from people too stupid to see how he's fucking them over. It's sad.
>
> The HamVoIP provides tons of how-tos and white-papers. When you refer to
> the “Community” are you referring to a small group that could be compared
> to a HOA?
>
>
> I know this may be hard for you to understand, but the community is based
> on
> freely sharing ideas and improvements. At the center of this is the GPL and
> it dictates the minimum requirements of this community. HamVoIP has turned
> their noses up at it, and refused to play by the community rules.
>
> You've had your freedom ripped from you and you don't care; rather your
> cheering it. What is _wrong_ with you?
>
> Again from my perspective they are providing assistance, support
> and product to a global community and are being picked on by a group of
> disgruntled HOA members. I as a user have the option to choose.
>
>
> You chose to further a felonious enterprise run by a conman. What more can
> I
> say, he's amateur radio's Darl McBride sans the magic underwear.
>
> Not sure if you saw my follow-up post previously but your dashboard was
> reporting a component of AllStar was offline (Down)
>
>
> Your unable to ping it? Well holy shit, one ping died in the ether from
> your
> computer.
>
> I'm done with you. Go be a pirate and enjoy suckling at John's teet.
>
> --
> Bryan Fields
>
> 727-409-1194 - Voicehttp://bryanfields.net
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