OK, So this "discussion" has go on for about a week. Face it, other then venting, and somewhat preaching to the choir, nothing has been accomplished. Other then AllStarLink (ASL) abiding by the license for Asterisk, we have no standing. It's up to Asterisk to enforce it's license. I am as much a advocate of open source and HAM radio as anybody, but it's time to end this. Do I disagree with David's and Doug's (HAMVIOP) decision to not open the source to their version of Asterisk? YES. Is there anything we can do about it? NO. David says he that he is following Jim's wishes. What I have been told by David is that Jim told him if he did not like what Jim was doing, fork it. So he did. That's just fine with us. We moved the source code from SVN to GIT to allow ANYONE to submit changes to the code. David submitted one bug fix directly to me and I included it in the repository. Mike N4IRR is the team leader for development. Yes, he is my brother. We have been building FM voice repeaters for the last 48 years. We work well together (most of the time) and we know how to compliment each others talents. Mike has been a professional "software guy" for the last 37 years. The other team members for the most part asked to be part of the team. They each bring a wealth of knowledge inside and outside of ASL. They stepped up and are willing to work with others in the best interest of ASL and HAM radio. All of the team members have to work well within the team and with the other teams where they intersect. Saying that you want to help is one thing, actually doing something is another. We do not just add people to teams. We look to attitude, skill and actually doing something for ASL. The organization has been built to survive the loss of any one or more people. We are no longer a one man band. I have been told that HAMVIOP thinks that the management of ASL is partisan. I think that is really directed at me. Am I an advocate for ASL? Yes. Do I try to run ASL in the best interests of the HAM community? Yes. I have opened the management teams to anyone that has said they have a interest and a skill to volunteer. HAMVIOP has told me in the past they don't think much of my capabilities. I have said in the past that I don't think much of their attitude towards anyone else working on ASL. I'll call that even. To conclude, ASL is open source and will always be so. If others want to not publish their changes, that is not our concern. Leave that to Asterisk. What we can do as a community is to support the open source efforts and the hardware vendors that provide the equipment we need to make ASL the finest HAM repeater / linking software available. I will not censor users on the list until I think someone has repeatedly crossed the line. Please end this. I now return you to your regularly scheduled mail list. 73, Steve N4IRS