Hey Rodger, Unfortunately, I don't have a document for building a Allstar with a radio. The first article on my website covers a Allstar to DMR bridge and setting up a radioless Allstar hub. However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes also come with the HamVoip software. He may can give you some tips since you have most all the pieces. Otherwise, I would point you to the Allstar email list. I like the HamVoip software but you can run ASL as well on a Raspberry Pi. here are the emails for both groups: HamVoip: arm-allstar@hamvoip.org Web: https://hamvoip.org ASL: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org Web: https://allstarlink.org Hope that helps let me know if you have any questions. 73, Russell Thomas, KV4S Cell: 205.202.1701 DMR Private: 3101393 DMR TG: 31013 D-Star Call Route (UR): KV4S D-Star: XRF334C AllStar: 47923 IRLP: 4535 EchoLink: KV4S-L (1003254) HamShackHotline: 614 Web: http://KV4S.com On Tue, Dec 25, 2018 at 9:45 PM Rodger Hanson <rodger_hanson@slingshot.co.nz> wrote:
Hello Russell
I was put onto you from a fellow ham here in New Zealand, that said you had a very good document on how to put together an allstar node.
I have a Raspberry Pi 3, and couple of BF888s radios and two USB sound cards, but not sure on the software to put onto the raspberry pi 3 and how to connect it all.
Would you mind sharing you document if one should exist?
Have a Merry Christmas and happy New Year.
73 de Rodger - ZL1RAH
On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes also come with the HamVoip software.
I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
Bryan, I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists. However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL OLD!!! With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about take your personal rant elsewhere? Larry - N7FM On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes also come with the HamVoip software. I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
73's
Le 26/12/2018 à 06:57, Bryan Fields a écrit :
I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright infringement
I personally never understood why so few ham developers adopt the open source concept, and distribute closed-source software. Open-Source is perfectly suited for our non-profit and mutual instruction activity. Unfortunately, past (and present) of ham software is full of bad experiences caused by closed-source software. In the other hand, many skilled guys are writing grezat open-source software. My opinion is that we should encourage them, promote their work, and we must prompt much more people to use open-source, which is full of benefits for our activity. Lots of big commercial companies are embracing open-source, which does not conflict with business. Why shlouldn't we be able to do the same ? ;-) Our choice, here in Corsica, is to ban all software that is not open-source from our servers. We won't prevent our users from connecting to existing "closed-software" or "closed-infrastructure" networks. But we decided to build our network only with open-source software, and forget the rest. Many thanks again for those who provide high quality software in open-source, best wishes for open-source development and promotion ! 73 de TK1BI
Bryan, Like always, your statements continue to be FALSE. The only thing criminal going on here is your continuous stream of LIBEL. Turn over a new leaf for 2019. Happy New Year 73, David KB4FXC On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes also come with the HamVoip software.
I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
73's
Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website registered against your callsign linked to a porn site. -----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM To: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node Bryan, I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists. However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL OLD!!! With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about take your personal rant elsewhere? Larry - N7FM On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes also come with the HamVoip software. I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
73's
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Yeah, Like me! Have a look at: http://kb4fxc.com http://kb4fxc.net http://kb4fxc.org Typical behavior of Bryan, W9CR, the blooming idiot! This is the same behavior he uses against anybody who he passionately dislikes. He starts a ugly disinformation campaign. Take the Florida Repeater council, as another example: http://frcreform.org/ Well, the old saying that applies is simple: Give a fool enough rope and they'll hang themselves. W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is. So, if you, too, are one of the "lucky ones" who W9CR has posted LIBELOUS content about, send me a personal e-mail. I would like to discuss the situation with you. W9CR is damaged goods. 73, David KB4FXC On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM To: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Bryan,
I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists. However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL OLD!!! With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about take your personal rant elsewhere?
Larry - N7FM
On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes also come with the HamVoip software. I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
73's
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I wonder if the registration for those sites looks like the info below. Whoever the registrant is, that individual is a total coward. Raw WHOIS Record Domain Name: Registry Domain ID: 2047650657_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.gandi.net Registrar URL: http://www.gandi.net Updated Date: 2018-10-25T00:53:18Z Creation Date: 2016-07-29T23:33:44Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2020-07-29T23:33:44Z Registrar: GANDI SAS Registrar IANA ID: 81 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@support.gandi.net Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +33.170377661 Reseller: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Domain Status: Domain Status: Domain Status: Domain Status: Registry Registrant ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Organization: Registrant Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant State/Province: Florida Registrant Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Country: US Registrant Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766@contact.gandi.net Registry Admin ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin State/Province: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Country: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766@contact.gandi.net Registry Tech ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech State/Province: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Country: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766@contact.gandi.net Name Server: NS-157-A.GANDI.NET Name Server: NS-66-B.GANDI.NET Name Server: NS-236-C.GANDI.NET Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: DNSSEC: Unsigned URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
Last update of WHOIS database: 2018-12-26T13:36:00Z <<<
For more information on Whois status codes, please visit https://www.icann.org/epp Reseller Email: Reseller URL: Personal data access and use are governed by French law, any use for the purpose of unsolicited mass commercial advertising as well as any mass or automated inquiries (for any intent other than the registration or modification of a domain name) are strictly forbidden. Copy of whole or part of our database without Gandi's endorsement is strictly forbidden. <br /> A dispute over the ownership of a domain name may be subject to the alternate procedure established by the Registry in question or brought before the courts. <br /> For additional information, please contact us via the following form:<br /> https://www.gandi.net/support/contacter/mail/ -----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of David McGough Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:19 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node Yeah, Like me! Have a look at: http://kb4fxc.com http://kb4fxc.net http://kb4fxc.org Typical behavior of Bryan, W9CR, the blooming idiot! This is the same behavior he uses against anybody who he passionately dislikes. He starts a ugly disinformation campaign. Take the Florida Repeater council, as another example: http://frcreform.org/ Well, the old saying that applies is simple: Give a fool enough rope and they'll hang themselves. W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is. So, if you, too, are one of the "lucky ones" who W9CR has posted LIBELOUS content about, send me a personal e-mail. I would like to discuss the situation with you. W9CR is damaged goods. 73, David KB4FXC On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM To: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Bryan,
I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists. However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL OLD!!! With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about take your personal rant elsewhere?
Larry - N7FM
On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes also come with the HamVoip software. I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
73's
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Notice that the Registrant state is Florida! Agreed, he is a BULLY and a COWARD. -------------------------------------------------- mcgough@david-vb:~$ whois kb4fxc.org Domain Name: KB4FXC.ORG Registry Domain ID: D402200000007333526-LROR Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.gandi.net Registrar URL: http://www.gandi.net Updated Date: 2018-10-25T03:47:18Z Creation Date: 2018-08-25T19:07:53Z Registry Expiry Date: 2019-08-25T19:07:53Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: Registrar: Gandi SAS Registrar IANA ID: 81 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@support.gandi.net Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +33.170377661 Reseller: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Registrant Organization: Registrant State/Province: FL Registrant Country: US Name Server: NS-169-A.GANDI.NET Name Server: NS-145-C.GANDI.NET Name Server: NS-165-B.GANDI.NET DNSSEC: unsigned URL of the ICANN Whois Inaccuracy Complaint Form https://www.icann.org/wicf/)
Last update of WHOIS database: 2018-12-26T13:41:38Z <<<
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
I wonder if the registration for those sites looks like the info below.
Whoever the registrant is, that individual is a total coward.
Raw WHOIS Record
Domain Name: Registry Domain ID: 2047650657_DOMAIN_COM-VRSN Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.gandi.net Registrar URL: http://www.gandi.net Updated Date: 2018-10-25T00:53:18Z Creation Date: 2016-07-29T23:33:44Z Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2020-07-29T23:33:44Z Registrar: GANDI SAS Registrar IANA ID: 81 Registrar Abuse Contact Email: abuse@support.gandi.net Registrar Abuse Contact Phone: +33.170377661 Reseller: Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited http://www.icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited Domain Status: Domain Status: Domain Status: Domain Status: Registry Registrant ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Organization: Registrant Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant State/Province: Florida Registrant Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Country: US Registrant Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Phone Ext: Registrant Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Registrant Fax Ext: Registrant Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766@contact.gandi.net Registry Admin ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin State/Province: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Country: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Phone Ext: Admin Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Admin Fax Ext: Admin Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766@contact.gandi.net Registry Tech ID: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Name: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Organization: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Street: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech City: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech State/Province: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Postal Code: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Country: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Phone: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Phone Ext: Tech Fax: REDACTED FOR PRIVACY Tech Fax Ext: Tech Email: 393fd6bba52377f8a56fdae18d5e2b45-8987766@contact.gandi.net Name Server: NS-157-A.GANDI.NET Name Server: NS-66-B.GANDI.NET Name Server: NS-236-C.GANDI.NET Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: Name Server: DNSSEC: Unsigned URL of the ICANN WHOIS Data Problem Reporting System: http://wdprs.internic.net/
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Reseller Email: Reseller URL:
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-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of David McGough Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:19 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Yeah, Like me! Have a look at:
http://kb4fxc.com http://kb4fxc.net http://kb4fxc.org
Typical behavior of Bryan, W9CR, the blooming idiot! This is the same behavior he uses against anybody who he passionately dislikes. He starts a ugly disinformation campaign. Take the Florida Repeater council, as another example:
Well, the old saying that applies is simple: Give a fool enough rope and they'll hang themselves.
W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.
So, if you, too, are one of the "lucky ones" who W9CR has posted LIBELOUS content about, send me a personal e-mail. I would like to discuss the situation with you.
W9CR is damaged goods.
73, David KB4FXC
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
Careful Larry... cross the wrong guy and you could end up with a website registered against your callsign linked to a porn site.
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of larry Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 3:33 AM To: app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
Bryan,
I try to refrain from posting to the negative stuff on the email lists. However I must say every time someone makes a post and the word Hamvoip happens to appear in their post you have to follow up with some negative BS that has nothing to do with the original posting. Nor is it helpful to the poster. Frankly you do more harm than good with all the negative comments while trying to promote ASL. I am sure I am not the only one that wishes you would take your rant someplace else. It's gotten REAL OLD!!! With all your knowledge and ability the help you do provide when the Hamvoip word DOES NOT appear in a posting is excellent. How about take your personal rant elsewhere?
Larry - N7FM
On 12/25/18 9:57 PM, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 12/26/18 12:05 AM, Russell Thomas wrote:
However, I bought a Yellow box from George WB3DZZ. He has taken those BF radios apart and made his connections to that and the sound cards his nodes also come with the HamVoip software. I'd caution anyone from selling pirated software, as it's criminal copyright infringement. I'd hate to see people unknowingly caught up in it.
73's
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On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.
It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are and your theft is exposed for all the world to see. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net
"WE" ???? Yet another, typical delutional outburst. Dude, you're already up to your neck in quicksand. And, you're right, all the world sees this, except you. On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan Fields wrote:
On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.
It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
So you've file a lawsuit? -----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.
It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are and your theft is exposed for all the world to see. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
Let it go guys… ALL of you! This isn’t productive, in fact it’s destructive. The list isn’t meant for this junk.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.
It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
-- Bryan Fields
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Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an Internet Bully, you might feel differently. On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:
Let it go guys⦠ALL of you!
This isnât productive, in fact itâs destructive. The list isnât meant for this junk.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.
It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
-- Bryan Fields
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I have been, and just like most everything else in life… ignore it and when they don’t get anything in return they will eventually go away. Like a stray… keep feeding themguys and they’ll return.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:35 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an Internet Bully, you might feel differently.
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:
Let it go guys¦ ALL of you!
This isn'tt productive, in fact it'ss destructive. The list isn'tt meant for this junk.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.
It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
-- Bryan Fields
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) for software. We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of spectrum. However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules. So when there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, WE take action to address it. Only in the most eggregious of cases does the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action. Just so with the GPL. I as a software developer have the benefit of billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of which is covered by the GPL. Generally the software community self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple as releasing the code. I do this because it is my obligation under the GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it. Had the authors of Asterisk said: "We will not release the source code, but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to do repeater linking. Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the cost of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you are in compliance! However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make sure that people comply with the conditions of their ham license, sometimes it takes legal action to force compliance with the GPL. In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract. We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that we will abide by a simple rule: you have to make your contribution freely available to others. So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit. That only serves to make lawyers rich. But in the end, it seems to me that the open source model has proven to be much more successful in the long run. I and many others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software available not just free of charge but free to improve. And in the process I have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as well as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software I wrote. We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names. But the GPL is pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code. I don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the source for the improvements. The GPL always wins out in the end. -Willem ================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575 WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com
AMEN. It’s only AMATEUR radio. If it disappeared tomorrow, the world would neither be better nor worse off, in truth. If the legal and moral owners of the copyrights have no inclination to fight it or enforce their rights, in the end, does it really matter what anyone who has no rights to the software thinks? Both versions of the fork have plusses and minuses. In the end, the marketplace will decide. But in the meantime, all the constant bickering and “who’s is bigger” argument is doing is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. It’s just a hobby. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:08, EDPnJAX <edpnjax@gmail.com> wrote:
Let it go guys… ALL of you!
This isn’t productive, in fact it’s destructive. The list isn’t meant for this junk.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote: W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.
It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
-- Bryan Fields
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No... I've been ignoring this particular coward for a number of years and he still takes every opportunity to flame me, to include the registration of my callsign as a web domain with a redirect to a porn site. If he were half a man, he'd confront me directly, but he chooses to play silly little games like a 3 year-old. I've never done a thing to this man-child except to disagree with him and his attitude, but apparently that’s all it takes to send him into a tantrum. Frankly, I'm tired of his attitude, his mouth, and his existence as a 'source of knowledge' for this (and other) lists. I don't care how smart he is or how much he has contributed. He is a liability to ASL as long as his name is associated with it. It's hard to respect an organization who would allow someone like that to speak on their behalf. -----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of EDPnJAX Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:38 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node I have been, and just like most everything else in life… ignore it and when they don’t get anything in return they will eventually go away. Like a stray… keep feeding themguys and they’ll return.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:35 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an Internet Bully, you might feel differently.
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:
Let it go guys€¦ ALL of you!
This isn't€™t productive, in fact it's€™s destructive. The list isn't€™t meant for this junk.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.
It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
-- Bryan Fields
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The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything to deal with those individuals. Put up or shut up. -----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Willem Schreuder Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:45 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) for software. We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of spectrum. However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules. So when there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, WE take action to address it. Only in the most eggregious of cases does the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action. Just so with the GPL. I as a software developer have the benefit of billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of which is covered by the GPL. Generally the software community self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple as releasing the code. I do this because it is my obligation under the GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it. Had the authors of Asterisk said: "We will not release the source code, but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to do repeater linking. Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the cost of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you are in compliance! However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make sure that people comply with the conditions of their ham license, sometimes it takes legal action to force compliance with the GPL. In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract. We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that we will abide by a simple rule: you have to make your contribution freely available to others. So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit. That only serves to make lawyers rich. But in the end, it seems to me that the open source model has proven to be much more successful in the long run. I and many others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software available not just free of charge but free to improve. And in the process I have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as well as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software I wrote. We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names. But the GPL is pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code. I don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the source for the improvements. The GPL always wins out in the end. -Willem ================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575 WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
Thanks for this Willem- well spoken. Clifford - KK6QMS -----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> On Behalf Of Willem Schreuder Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:45 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt <app_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org> Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) for software. We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of spectrum. However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules. So when there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, WE take action to address it. Only in the most eggregious of cases does the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action. Just so with the GPL. I as a software developer have the benefit of billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of which is covered by the GPL. Generally the software community self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple as releasing the code. I do this because it is my obligation under the GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it. Had the authors of Asterisk said: "We will not release the source code, but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to do repeater linking. Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the cost of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you are in compliance! However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make sure that people comply with the conditions of their ham license, sometimes it takes legal action to force compliance with the GPL. In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract. We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that we will abide by a simple rule: you have to make your contribution freely available to others. So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit. That only serves to make lawyers rich. But in the end, it seems to me that the open source model has proven to be much more successful in the long run. I and many others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software available not just free of charge but free to improve. And in the process I have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as well as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software I wrote. We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names. But the GPL is pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code. I don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the source for the improvements. The GPL always wins out in the end. -Willem ================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575 WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything to deal with those individuals. Put up or shut up.
I cannot condone the name calling and ad hominem attacks. I understand the passion on both sides, and I agree it has gotten way out of hand. However, the point remains that the GPL is pretty black and white on the issue of releasing the source code, and it is up to all of us to point out when the GPL is being violated. I just wish we can do it in a civil manner, and not dismiss the whole issue because of personal animosity. ================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575 WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com
Willem++ On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 11:10 AM Willem Schreuder <willem@prinmath.com> wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything to deal with those individuals. Put up or shut up.
I cannot condone the name calling and ad hominem attacks. I understand the passion on both sides, and I agree it has gotten way out of hand.
However, the point remains that the GPL is pretty black and white on the issue of releasing the source code, and it is up to all of us to point out when the GPL is being violated.
I just wish we can do it in a civil manner, and not dismiss the whole issue because of personal animosity.
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or ignore it and move on. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:52, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:
The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything to deal with those individuals. Put up or shut up.
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Willem Schreuder Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:45 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) for software.
We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of spectrum. However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules. So when there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, WE take action to address it. Only in the most eggregious of cases does the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action.
Just so with the GPL. I as a software developer have the benefit of billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of which is covered by the GPL. Generally the software community self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple as releasing the code. I do this because it is my obligation under the GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it.
Had the authors of Asterisk said: "We will not release the source code, but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to The point is, Bryan loves to call people criminals but never does anything to deal with those individuals. Put up or shut up.
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Willem Schreuder Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:45 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
I am always surpized how many hams embrace the self-policing for amateur radio, but fail to see the similarities with the GNU Public License (GPL) for software.
We as hams have the public trust for billions of dollars worth of spectrum. However, this comes with strings attached, in that we must promote and expand radio technology, and abide by certain rules. So when there are people who jam some nets, or use the spectrum inappropriately, WE take action to address it. Only in the most eggregious of cases does the FCC actually have to take an enforcement action.
Just so with the GPL. I as a software developer have the benefit of billions of dollars worth of free software - a free compiler, a free operating system, and yes Jim Dixon's amazing work on Asterisk, all of which is covered by the GPL. Generally the software community self-enforces the GPL, and in the vast majority of cases, it is as simple as releasing the code. I do this because it is my obligation under the GPL, but I also license new work under the GPL because other people help improve what I started, and I still largely get the credit for it.
Had the authors of Asterisk said: "We will not release the source code, but we will do a fantastic job in making sure Asterisk does all the things you want it to do", then Asterisk would have remain a telephone system. Only because they released the source code were hams able to extend it to do repeater linking.
Only in rare cases where people continue to flaunt the GPL does it take a lawsuit to compel compliance, and these rarely go to trial because the cost of compliance is so trivial - just release the source code and you are in compliance! However, just like it sometimes takes the FCC to make sure that people comply with the conditions of their ham license, sometimes it takes legal action to force compliance with the GPL.
In the end the GPL (just like our ham priviliges) is a social contract. We are granted an enormously valuable resource on the understanding that we will abide by a simple rule: you have to make your contribution freely available to others.
So I sure hope that this doesn't turn into a lawsuit. That only serves to make lawyers rich. But in the end, it seems to me that the open source model has proven to be much more successful in the long run. I and many others have been able to make a decent living despite making our software available not just free of charge but free to improve. And in the process I have benefitted both in terms of getting credit for my contributions as well as well as from the clever things others have contributed to software I wrote.
We don't have to be ugly about it and call people names. But the GPL is pretty black and white about the issue of releasing the source code. I don't know of a single case where somebody has eventually prevailed in arguing that you can start with GPL code and then refuse to release the source for the improvements. The GPL always wins out in the end.
-Willem
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
or ignore it and move on.
I have to respectfully disagree. We all have a responsibility to point out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where hams run afoul of Part 97. If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice to the ham community. Just so if we say that we don't care about the GPL, it does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by contributing software. If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions. But let's be civil in how we go about it. ================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575 WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com
Unfortunately, ignoring bullies rarely works. When bullies show up on the Internet and will NOT go away, this is Cyberstalking. And, yes, there are relatively new laws in the USA intended to address this. For a better description, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberstalking This has gone on long enough, with a lot of different people. On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Mike Besemer wrote:
No... I've been ignoring this particular coward for a number of years and he still takes every opportunity to flame me, to include the registration of my callsign as a web domain with a redirect to a porn site. If he were half a man, he'd confront me directly, but he chooses to play silly little games like a 3 year-old. I've never done a thing to this man-child except to disagree with him and his attitude, but apparently thatâs all it takes to send him into a tantrum.
Frankly, I'm tired of his attitude, his mouth, and his existence as a 'source of knowledge' for this (and other) lists. I don't care how smart he is or how much he has contributed. He is a liability to ASL as long as his name is associated with it. It's hard to respect an organization who would allow someone like that to speak on their behalf. -----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of EDPnJAX Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 12:38 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node I have been, and just like most everything else in life⦠ignore it and when they donât get anything in return they will eventually go away. Like a stray⦠keep feeding themguys and theyâll return.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 12:35 PM, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Well, if you were the subject of an aggressive personal attack from an Internet Bully, you might feel differently.
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, EDPnJAX wrote:
Let it go guysâ¬Â¦ ALL of you!
This isn'tâ¬â¢t productive, in fact it'sâ¬â¢s destructive. The list isn'tâ¬â¢t meant for this junk.
On Dec 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Mike Besemer <mwbesemer@cox.net> wrote:
So you've file a lawsuit?
-----Original Message----- From: App_rpt-users [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fields Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 8:55 AM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
On 12/26/18 8:19 AM, David McGough wrote:
W9CR's comments on Reddit about ham radio: "It's now a hobby full of Luddites, racists, and narcissists" just show what a hypocrite he is.
It's not libel if it's true, and in your case is most certainly is. You are a fraud and a criminal. We will not rest until you are exposed for what you are and your theft is exposed for all the world to see.
-- Bryan Fields
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Willem, Unfortunately, the "GPL" is only a leverage tool that W9CR (and a few others) are barking about to quickly gain "community" support. You all are being used a pawns. There is a lot more to this story not known by many people. Little details like when Jim Dixon passed, he had no will ("Intestate"). There is an open Probate case in the LA county courts right now. But no mention of anything related to AllStar. In fact, Jim had NO assets listed at all. Look at these Court documents for yourself. This is a link to the LA County Court website: https://www.lacourt.org/page/CI0100 Click "Continue as Guest" at the bottom of this page and then use this case number: 17STPB08347 When exactly did W9CR or ASL obtain copyright ownership?? This question has been asked repeatedly "behind the scenes." No Answer. I have personally asked various persons for a legal statement about this. No Answer. Yes, I've seen the history posted by KE6PCV. I (and HamVoIP) have continually been called a "criminals," etc., by W9CR (and a few others). Are you aware that "criminal" proceeding can only be initiated by the copyright owner?? So far, I've not been contacted by the owner?? Some other interesting facts include: How did W9CR obtain 9+ domains previously owned solely by Jim Dixon, as of his untimely death?? They include: allstarlink.com allstarlink.net allstarlink.org bsdtelephony.net duuuude.com lambdatel.com ofaa.org zapatatelephony.com zapatatelephony.org Jim also owned a /21 IPv4 subnet (206.82.240.0/21) when he passed. That also now belongs to W9CR, as of about 03/28/2018. See: https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-206-82-240-0-1/pft?s=206.82.247.18 I guess you're also not aware that W9CR is trying to TRADEMARK the word-mark "AllStar" ??? Try searching the USPTO and take a look at the exhibits presented! Here is a link: https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/search-trademark-databa... Unfortunately, it seems the pot will have to be stirred. This useless bull hockey WILL finally get resolved for once and for all. Sincerely, 73, David KB4FXC On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
or ignore it and move on.
I have to respectfully disagree. We all have a responsibility to point out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where hams run afoul of Part 97.
If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice to the ham community. Just so if we say that we don't care about the GPL, it does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by contributing software.
If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.
But let's be civil in how we go about it.
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David, Everyone seems to be in agreement that open source is a good thing. Would you be willing to just address the entire list why you won't release the source? That's the only question I would have. Why the source that you've built upon is being kept under lock and key while it's being distributed... Thanks! On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 3:23 PM David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net wrote:
Willem,
Unfortunately, the "GPL" is only a leverage tool that W9CR (and a few others) are barking about to quickly gain "community" support. You all are being used a pawns.
There is a lot more to this story not known by many people.
Little details like when Jim Dixon passed, he had no will ("Intestate"). There is an open Probate case in the LA county courts right now. But no mention of anything related to AllStar. In fact, Jim had NO assets listed at all. Look at these Court documents for yourself. This is a link to the LA County Court website: https://www.lacourt.org/page/CI0100 Click "Continue as Guest" at the bottom of this page and then use this case number: 17STPB08347
When exactly did W9CR or ASL obtain copyright ownership?? This question has been asked repeatedly "behind the scenes." No Answer. I have personally asked various persons for a legal statement about this. No Answer.
Yes, I've seen the history posted by KE6PCV.
I (and HamVoIP) have continually been called a "criminals," etc., by W9CR (and a few others). Are you aware that "criminal" proceeding can only be initiated by the copyright owner?? So far, I've not been contacted by the owner??
Some other interesting facts include:
How did W9CR obtain 9+ domains previously owned solely by Jim Dixon, as of his untimely death?? They include:
allstarlink.com allstarlink.net allstarlink.org bsdtelephony.net duuuude.com lambdatel.com ofaa.org zapatatelephony.com zapatatelephony.org
Jim also owned a /21 IPv4 subnet (206.82.240.0/21) when he passed. That also now belongs to W9CR, as of about 03/28/2018. See:
https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-206-82-240-0-1/pft?s=206.82.247.18
I guess you're also not aware that W9CR is trying to TRADEMARK the word-mark "AllStar" ??? Try searching the USPTO and take a look at the exhibits presented! Here is a link:
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/search-trademark-databa...
Unfortunately, it seems the pot will have to be stirred. This useless bull hockey WILL finally get resolved for once and for all.
Sincerely,
73, David KB4FXC
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
or ignore it and move on.
I have to respectfully disagree. We all have a responsibility to point out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where hams run afoul of Part 97.
If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice to the ham community. Just so if we say that we don't care about the GPL, it does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by contributing software.
If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.
But let's be civil in how we go about it.
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My primary concern is: Who is the Copyright owner NOW for all the various AllStar related modules and as of what date were they released GPL2?? I've got to have this answered in a legally acceptable way (e.g.: notarized affidavit). Incidentally, ASL, Inc., *SHOULD* be very concerned about this, too. As of the last several months, I now have a secondary concern as well---W9CR's Cyber-hickery. On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Andrew Sylthe wrote:
David,
Everyone seems to be in agreement that open source is a good thing. Would you be willing to just address the entire list why you won't release the source? That's the only question I would have. Why the source that you've built upon is being kept under lock and key while it's being distributed...
Thanks!
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 3:23 PM David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net wrote:
Willem,
Unfortunately, the "GPL" is only a leverage tool that W9CR (and a few others) are barking about to quickly gain "community" support. You all are being used a pawns.
There is a lot more to this story not known by many people.
Little details like when Jim Dixon passed, he had no will ("Intestate"). There is an open Probate case in the LA county courts right now. But no mention of anything related to AllStar. In fact, Jim had NO assets listed at all. Look at these Court documents for yourself. This is a link to the LA County Court website: https://www.lacourt.org/page/CI0100 Click "Continue as Guest" at the bottom of this page and then use this case number: 17STPB08347
When exactly did W9CR or ASL obtain copyright ownership?? This question has been asked repeatedly "behind the scenes." No Answer. I have personally asked various persons for a legal statement about this. No Answer.
Yes, I've seen the history posted by KE6PCV.
I (and HamVoIP) have continually been called a "criminals," etc., by W9CR (and a few others). Are you aware that "criminal" proceeding can only be initiated by the copyright owner?? So far, I've not been contacted by the owner??
Some other interesting facts include:
How did W9CR obtain 9+ domains previously owned solely by Jim Dixon, as of his untimely death?? They include:
allstarlink.com allstarlink.net allstarlink.org bsdtelephony.net duuuude.com lambdatel.com ofaa.org zapatatelephony.com zapatatelephony.org
Jim also owned a /21 IPv4 subnet (206.82.240.0/21) when he passed. That also now belongs to W9CR, as of about 03/28/2018. See:
https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-206-82-240-0-1/pft?s=206.82.247.18
I guess you're also not aware that W9CR is trying to TRADEMARK the word-mark "AllStar" ??? Try searching the USPTO and take a look at the exhibits presented! Here is a link:
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/search-trademark-databa...
Unfortunately, it seems the pot will have to be stirred. This useless bull hockey WILL finally get resolved for once and for all.
Sincerely,
73, David KB4FXC
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
or ignore it and move on.
I have to respectfully disagree. We all have a responsibility to point out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where hams run afoul of Part 97.
If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice to the ham community. Just so if we say that we don't care about the GPL, it does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by contributing software.
If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.
But let's be civil in how we go about it.
================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575 WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users@lists.allstarlink.org http://lists.allstarlink.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users
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LOL, I know Jim was thinking of putting a digital key in his code. So when the node registered or keyed up and linked to another node. It would show up as a ASL node and not some forked system. By the way. I love the armchair lawyer talk and gumshoe detective work. Start a new thread and keep it coming. Its funny stuff. Maybe we can get on Judge Judy. That would be great TV. -- Thanks, David "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms...disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." Thomas Jefferson On Wed, Dec 26, 2018 at 1:23 PM David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
Willem,
Unfortunately, the "GPL" is only a leverage tool that W9CR (and a few others) are barking about to quickly gain "community" support. You all are being used a pawns.
There is a lot more to this story not known by many people.
Little details like when Jim Dixon passed, he had no will ("Intestate"). There is an open Probate case in the LA county courts right now. But no mention of anything related to AllStar. In fact, Jim had NO assets listed at all. Look at these Court documents for yourself. This is a link to the LA County Court website: https://www.lacourt.org/page/CI0100 Click "Continue as Guest" at the bottom of this page and then use this case number: 17STPB08347
When exactly did W9CR or ASL obtain copyright ownership?? This question has been asked repeatedly "behind the scenes." No Answer. I have personally asked various persons for a legal statement about this. No Answer.
Yes, I've seen the history posted by KE6PCV.
I (and HamVoIP) have continually been called a "criminals," etc., by W9CR (and a few others). Are you aware that "criminal" proceeding can only be initiated by the copyright owner?? So far, I've not been contacted by the owner??
Some other interesting facts include:
How did W9CR obtain 9+ domains previously owned solely by Jim Dixon, as of his untimely death?? They include:
allstarlink.com allstarlink.net allstarlink.org bsdtelephony.net duuuude.com lambdatel.com ofaa.org zapatatelephony.com zapatatelephony.org
Jim also owned a /21 IPv4 subnet (206.82.240.0/21) when he passed. That also now belongs to W9CR, as of about 03/28/2018. See:
https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-206-82-240-0-1/pft?s=206.82.247.18
I guess you're also not aware that W9CR is trying to TRADEMARK the word-mark "AllStar" ??? Try searching the USPTO and take a look at the exhibits presented! Here is a link:
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/search-trademark-databa...
Unfortunately, it seems the pot will have to be stirred. This useless bull hockey WILL finally get resolved for once and for all.
Sincerely,
73, David KB4FXC
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
or ignore it and move on.
I have to respectfully disagree. We all have a responsibility to point out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where hams run afoul of Part 97.
If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice to the ham community. Just so if we say that we don't care about the GPL, it does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by contributing software.
If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.
But let's be civil in how we go about it.
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Wasn't all of the code held on Jim's SVN server? I'm guessing all the commits were time stamped. Wouldn't that answer when the first time the GPL blurb was included alongside the code? On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 3:58 PM David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net wrote:
My primary concern is: Who is the Copyright owner NOW for all the various AllStar related modules and as of what date were they released GPL2?? I've got to have this answered in a legally acceptable way (e.g.: notarized affidavit).
Incidentally, ASL, Inc., *SHOULD* be very concerned about this, too.
As of the last several months, I now have a secondary concern as well---W9CR's Cyber-hickery.
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Andrew Sylthe wrote:
David,
Everyone seems to be in agreement that open source is a good thing. Would you be willing to just address the entire list why you won't release the source? That's the only question I would have. Why the source that you've built upon is being kept under lock and key while it's being distributed...
Thanks!
On Wed, Dec 26, 2018, 3:23 PM David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net wrote:
Willem,
Unfortunately, the "GPL" is only a leverage tool that W9CR (and a few others) are barking about to quickly gain "community" support. You all
are
being used a pawns.
There is a lot more to this story not known by many people.
Little details like when Jim Dixon passed, he had no will ("Intestate"). There is an open Probate case in the LA county courts right now. But no mention of anything related to AllStar. In fact, Jim had NO assets listed at all. Look at these Court documents for yourself. This is a link to the LA County Court website: https://www.lacourt.org/page/CI0100 Click "Continue as Guest" at the bottom of this page and then use this case number: 17STPB08347
When exactly did W9CR or ASL obtain copyright ownership?? This question has been asked repeatedly "behind the scenes." No Answer. I have personally asked various persons for a legal statement about this. No Answer.
Yes, I've seen the history posted by KE6PCV.
I (and HamVoIP) have continually been called a "criminals," etc., by W9CR (and a few others). Are you aware that "criminal" proceeding can only be initiated by the copyright owner?? So far, I've not been contacted by the owner??
Some other interesting facts include:
How did W9CR obtain 9+ domains previously owned solely by Jim Dixon, as of his untimely death?? They include:
allstarlink.com allstarlink.net allstarlink.org bsdtelephony.net duuuude.com lambdatel.com ofaa.org zapatatelephony.com zapatatelephony.org
Jim also owned a /21 IPv4 subnet (206.82.240.0/21) when he passed. That also now belongs to W9CR, as of about 03/28/2018. See:
https://whois.arin.net/rest/net/NET-206-82-240-0-1/pft?s=206.82.247.18
I guess you're also not aware that W9CR is trying to TRADEMARK the word-mark "AllStar" ??? Try searching the USPTO and take a look at the exhibits presented! Here is a link:
https://www.uspto.gov/trademarks-application-process/search-trademark-databa...
Unfortunately, it seems the pot will have to be stirred. This useless
bull
hockey WILL finally get resolved for once and for all.
Sincerely,
73, David KB4FXC
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
or ignore it and move on.
I have to respectfully disagree. We all have a responsibility to point out where the GPL is violated, just like we should point out where hams run afoul of Part 97.
If we say it is up to the FCC to enforce Part 97, we do a disservice to the ham community. Just so if we say that we don't care about the GPL, it does a disservice to people who contibute their ideas and talents by contributing software.
If we simply stay silent and ignore the problem, there is no chance of correcting the problem other than draconian enforcement actions.
But let's be civil in how we go about it.
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all this junk is making me want 2 just the alstar system it's just sad being newer to this i only got to talk to jim dude once but i'm sure is turning over in his grave seeing this crap go om jimmy ka3vgm pa,
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
My primary concern is: Who is the Copyright owner NOW for all the various AllStar related modules and as of what date were they released GPL2?
The beauty of the GPL is that it is largely irrelevant who the copyright holder is. If you hold a GPL copyright, the ONLY power you have is that you can ensure that the software remains open source. By using the GPL you explicitly allow ANYBODY to use, modify, redistribute or other make use of that code. The only restriction is that in turn, they also provide these modifications under the same terms. The GPL does not view the world as a zero sum game. It explicitly recognizes that when we get the best ideas from everybody, we are all better off. So anybody could fork the ASL codebase, make it better or worse or change it in any way that like. The ONLY requirement is that you MUST release the source. If the only leverage that people who mean HAMVOIP ill has is the GPL, then I would submit that you can undercut their ill intentions by releasing the source. Then you will have the high ground both legally and ethically. I would argue that the superior technology will win out, regardless of whether it is called AllStarLink or HAMVOIP or whatever name you choose. As long as you comply with the GPL, there is nothing anybody can do to prevent you from developing and expanding the technology. Furthermore, it give you the power to enforce compliance with the GPL for the components you contribute. And while it is undoubtedly true that other people will make use of the clever things you contributed, people will know where it was pioneered and others will be playing catchup as long as you keep improving your implementation. And there may be other clever things you could use and improve on that others may invent. I think I have made it clear that I am not naive about the political machinations and I certainly don't condone the underhanded things that have happened. However, I cannot condone violation of the GPL as an appropriate response. ================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575 WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com
WHAT??? In the USA, copyright law is the ONLY thing that matters! Wow. So, what happens if a supposed copyright owner shows up 10 years from now and says: "That code or function (or whatever) was never GPL2 and should never have been released!" ---and they have reasonable proof??? In the best case, it'll be innocent infringement and yes, you'll be settling in or out of court. Oh wait, I've been there. Got that tee shirt. Don't need another one. This is one reason why Digium requires a contributor agreement. When you sign that legal agreement, you state that the code you're providing is your own and not from any other sources. Why is my simple request an insurmountable issue?? Enough for today. Other fish to fry. 73, David KB4FXC On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
My primary concern is: Who is the Copyright owner NOW for all the various AllStar related modules and as of what date were they released GPL2?
The beauty of the GPL is that it is largely irrelevant who the copyright holder is. If you hold a GPL copyright, the ONLY power you have is that you can ensure that the software remains open source.
By using the GPL you explicitly allow ANYBODY to use, modify, redistribute or other make use of that code. The only restriction is that in turn, they also provide these modifications under the same terms.
The GPL does not view the world as a zero sum game. It explicitly recognizes that when we get the best ideas from everybody, we are all better off.
So anybody could fork the ASL codebase, make it better or worse or change it in any way that like. The ONLY requirement is that you MUST release the source.
If the only leverage that people who mean HAMVOIP ill has is the GPL, then I would submit that you can undercut their ill intentions by releasing the source. Then you will have the high ground both legally and ethically.
I would argue that the superior technology will win out, regardless of whether it is called AllStarLink or HAMVOIP or whatever name you choose. As long as you comply with the GPL, there is nothing anybody can do to prevent you from developing and expanding the technology. Furthermore, it give you the power to enforce compliance with the GPL for the components you contribute.
And while it is undoubtedly true that other people will make use of the clever things you contributed, people will know where it was pioneered and others will be playing catchup as long as you keep improving your implementation. And there may be other clever things you could use and improve on that others may invent.
I think I have made it clear that I am not naive about the political machinations and I certainly don't condone the underhanded things that have happened.
However, I cannot condone violation of the GPL as an appropriate response.
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
So, what happens if a supposed copyright owner shows up 10 years from now and says: "That code or function (or whatever) was never GPL2 and should never have been released!" ---and they have reasonable proof?
I'm not sure I understand the argument. Are you saying that it is not appropriate to share the source, because you are not sure that the it is covered under the GPL? In that case, are you not opening yourself to greater liability by continuing to modify and use it, if you are not sure whether it is covered by the GPL or not. The whole point of the GPL is that once the code is released under the GPL that there is an explicit grant to EVERYBODY to do with the code as they see fit, the only restriction being that you must continue to share the source. It seems to me that if you comply with the GPL, you have a reasonable argument that you acted in good faith and you can claim innocent infingement, regardless of who the original copyright holder is. If on the other hand it is true that the GPL does not apply, you are quite right to worry about modifying and redistributing the code. I apologize if I misundertood your argument, but I am not following. -Willem ================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575 WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com
My reasoning is simple--if private intellectual property is unintentionally released, which scenario is least damaging: 1. A binary blob that can't be easily reverse engineered and can only be used in a very specific, limited scope way. 2. A source code file that once disclosed can be copied by anyone in the future, for ever more. Something like: void my_secret_spy_function() { // // patented or licensed algorithms // // } I would argue that #1 would be the least damaging to an unknown owner's intellectual property rights. At least an attempt has been made to limit the damage to any intellectual property, while waiting for the dust to clear. Twenty two months ago, I fully expected a new copyright owner to emerge, once Jim's Estate was settled---easing many of my concerns. Those were the claims being made at that time. Now, with the records of what has actually transpired, I really don't know what to think. It's pointless to argue semantics any further. 73, David KB4FXC On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
So, what happens if a supposed copyright owner shows up 10 years from now and says: "That code or function (or whatever) was never GPL2 and should never have been released!" ---and they have reasonable proof?
I'm not sure I understand the argument.
Are you saying that it is not appropriate to share the source, because you are not sure that the it is covered under the GPL? In that case, are you not opening yourself to greater liability by continuing to modify and use it, if you are not sure whether it is covered by the GPL or not.
The whole point of the GPL is that once the code is released under the GPL that there is an explicit grant to EVERYBODY to do with the code as they see fit, the only restriction being that you must continue to share the source.
It seems to me that if you comply with the GPL, you have a reasonable argument that you acted in good faith and you can claim innocent infingement, regardless of who the original copyright holder is.
If on the other hand it is true that the GPL does not apply, you are quite right to worry about modifying and redistributing the code.
I apologize if I misundertood your argument, but I am not following. -Willem
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So you are saying that you are attempting to protect Jim’s intellectual property in some way? That same intellectual property that was already released as opensource under the GPL? Incidentally, what you describe in #2 is precisely the spirit (and legal function) of the GPL to begin with. Sent from the iRoad
On Dec 26, 2018, at 18:14, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
My reasoning is simple--if private intellectual property is unintentionally released, which scenario is least damaging:
1. A binary blob that can't be easily reverse engineered and can only be used in a very specific, limited scope way.
2. A source code file that once disclosed can be copied by anyone in the future, for ever more. Something like:
void my_secret_spy_function() { // // patented or licensed algorithms // // }
I would argue that #1 would be the least damaging to an unknown owner's intellectual property rights. At least an attempt has been made to limit the damage to any intellectual property, while waiting for the dust to clear.
Twenty two months ago, I fully expected a new copyright owner to emerge, once Jim's Estate was settled---easing many of my concerns. Those were the claims being made at that time. Now, with the records of what has actually transpired, I really don't know what to think.
It's pointless to argue semantics any further.
73, David KB4FXC
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
So, what happens if a supposed copyright owner shows up 10 years from now and says: "That code or function (or whatever) was never GPL2 and should never have been released!" ---and they have reasonable proof?
I'm not sure I understand the argument.
Are you saying that it is not appropriate to share the source, because you are not sure that the it is covered under the GPL? In that case, are you not opening yourself to greater liability by continuing to modify and use it, if you are not sure whether it is covered by the GPL or not.
The whole point of the GPL is that once the code is released under the GPL that there is an explicit grant to EVERYBODY to do with the code as they see fit, the only restriction being that you must continue to share the source.
It seems to me that if you comply with the GPL, you have a reasonable argument that you acted in good faith and you can claim innocent infingement, regardless of who the original copyright holder is.
If on the other hand it is true that the GPL does not apply, you are quite right to worry about modifying and redistributing the code.
I apologize if I misundertood your argument, but I am not following. -Willem
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
My reasoning is simple--if private intellectual property is unintentionally released, which scenario is least damaging:
You omit the third and only responsible action if you believe that you are releasing private intellectual property not covered by the GPL: 3. Do not release anything at all. If you don't believe that you have the right to that intellectual property through the GPL, you have no business releasing it in any form whatsoever. This is why the GPL is so powerful. Once you release something under the GPL, you cannot take it back. That is why software companies have to be so careful taking contributions. The GPL is rather insidious, and I for one think that is a good thing. ================================================================ Dr. Willem A. Schreuder, President, Principia Mathematica Address: 445 Union Blvd, Suite 230, Lakewood, CO 80228, USA Tel: (303) 716-3573 Fax: (303) 716-3575 WWW: www.prinmath.com Email: Willem.Schreuder@prinmath.com
Wow, I leave for the holidays and come back to over what appears to be a hundred or so attacks, insults, threats of lawsuits, etc.... All this started just because I asked a question about sharing the source code and what the diff between the two modules and what have you are. Thank goodness I have all the knowledge and experiences I do with Asterisk Software there of. I'm also thankful I have over 30+ years in the two-way radio engineering, service/repair, and software development. Cause today I feel I no longer can be of use or want to be of use on this mailing list. Not that I had that much input as I was watching to see if I wanted to be part of this mailing list or not before I invested too much of my time for nothing more than this type of crap. That which I find happens in mailing list subs like this one. Maybe some day those of you that want to contiue slinging mud, calling people names and threats of lawsuits will get your crap together, learn to work together and realize you are only being destructive when you spew this crap in mailing list submissions like this one. It does no one any good and only makes quality people like myself want to leave and not look back. No doubt you asses will have something negitive to say about this email. Thank you for allowing me access to this email list, but I will be removing myself shortly. Have a great day, William R Howell, CEO Amphibicom, A Division of Amphibian Technologies & Solutions 20587 State Highway 19 South Suite #13 Canton, Texas 75103 Office: 903-287-0069 Fax: 972-275-6069 Consulting, Sales and Services that specialize in the areas of wire & wireless communications, EOC (Emergency Operations Center), PEOC (Portable Emergency Operation Centers), Dispatch Consoles & Software, Central Dispatch Communications Centers, and Call Center Equipment..... Installation, Maintenance, and Management....... Where Two-way Radios, Computers, Telephones, Telephone Land Lines, VOIP, Hardware & Software all come together........ Working together to make for better communications within our communities thru clubs and social networking....... A place where Commercial, Public Safety, GMRS, Amateur, Marine, Aircraft, and Military operators learn how to coexist together thru shared communications....... If it can be done ---- we can do it..... ________________________________ From: App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of JJC <cummingsj@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:04 PM To: Users of Asterisk app_rpt Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node So you are saying that you are attempting to protect Jim’s intellectual property in some way? That same intellectual property that was already released as opensource under the GPL? Incidentally, what you describe in #2 is precisely the spirit (and legal function) of the GPL to begin with. Sent from the iRoad
On Dec 26, 2018, at 18:14, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
My reasoning is simple--if private intellectual property is unintentionally released, which scenario is least damaging:
1. A binary blob that can't be easily reverse engineered and can only be used in a very specific, limited scope way.
2. A source code file that once disclosed can be copied by anyone in the future, for ever more. Something like:
void my_secret_spy_function() { // // patented or licensed algorithms // // }
I would argue that #1 would be the least damaging to an unknown owner's intellectual property rights. At least an attempt has been made to limit the damage to any intellectual property, while waiting for the dust to clear.
Twenty two months ago, I fully expected a new copyright owner to emerge, once Jim's Estate was settled---easing many of my concerns. Those were the claims being made at that time. Now, with the records of what has actually transpired, I really don't know what to think.
It's pointless to argue semantics any further.
73, David KB4FXC
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
So, what happens if a supposed copyright owner shows up 10 years from now and says: "That code or function (or whatever) was never GPL2 and should never have been released!" ---and they have reasonable proof?
I'm not sure I understand the argument.
Are you saying that it is not appropriate to share the source, because you are not sure that the it is covered under the GPL? In that case, are you not opening yourself to greater liability by continuing to modify and use it, if you are not sure whether it is covered by the GPL or not.
The whole point of the GPL is that once the code is released under the GPL that there is an explicit grant to EVERYBODY to do with the code as they see fit, the only restriction being that you must continue to share the source.
It seems to me that if you comply with the GPL, you have a reasonable argument that you acted in good faith and you can claim innocent infingement, regardless of who the original copyright holder is.
If on the other hand it is true that the GPL does not apply, you are quite right to worry about modifying and redistributing the code.
I apologize if I misundertood your argument, but I am not following. -Willem
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Am I the only one that feel like someone made a subcontract job then left? If it is not, I appologize. But damn it sure look like one! <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> Garanti sans virus. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail> <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> Le jeu. 27 déc. 2018 à 19:38, william howell <william-t2@live.com> a écrit :
Wow, I leave for the holidays and come back to over what appears to be a hundred or so attacks, insults, threats of lawsuits, etc.... All this started just because I asked a question about sharing the source code and what the diff between the two modules and what have you are.
Thank goodness I have all the knowledge and experiences I do with Asterisk Software there of. I'm also thankful I have over 30+ years in the two-way radio engineering, service/repair, and software development. Cause today I feel I no longer can be of use or want to be of use on this mailing list. Not that I had that much input as I was watching to see if I wanted to be part of this mailing list or not before I invested too much of my time for nothing more than this type of crap. That which I find happens in mailing list subs like this one.
Maybe some day those of you that want to contiue slinging mud, calling people names and threats of lawsuits will get your crap together, learn to work together and realize you are only being destructive when you spew this crap in mailing list submissions like this one. It does no one any good and only makes quality people like myself want to leave and not look back. No doubt you asses will have something negitive to say about this email.
Thank you for allowing me access to this email list, but I will be removing myself shortly.
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------------------------------ *From:* App_rpt-users <app_rpt-users-bounces@lists.allstarlink.org> on behalf of JJC <cummingsj@gmail.com> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 26, 2018 9:04 PM *To:* Users of Asterisk app_rpt *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar Node
So you are saying that you are attempting to protect Jim’s intellectual property in some way? That same intellectual property that was already released as opensource under the GPL?
Incidentally, what you describe in #2 is precisely the spirit (and legal function) of the GPL to begin with.
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On Dec 26, 2018, at 18:14, David McGough <kb4fxc@inttek.net> wrote:
My reasoning is simple--if private intellectual property is unintentionally released, which scenario is least damaging:
1. A binary blob that can't be easily reverse engineered and can only be used in a very specific, limited scope way.
2. A source code file that once disclosed can be copied by anyone in the future, for ever more. Something like:
void my_secret_spy_function() { // // patented or licensed algorithms // // }
I would argue that #1 would be the least damaging to an unknown owner's intellectual property rights. At least an attempt has been made to limit the damage to any intellectual property, while waiting for the dust to clear.
Twenty two months ago, I fully expected a new copyright owner to emerge, once Jim's Estate was settled---easing many of my concerns. Those were the claims being made at that time. Now, with the records of what has actually transpired, I really don't know what to think.
It's pointless to argue semantics any further.
73, David KB4FXC
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, Willem Schreuder wrote:
On Wed, 26 Dec 2018, David McGough wrote:
So, what happens if a supposed copyright owner shows up 10 years from now and says: "That code or function (or whatever) was never GPL2 and should never have been released!" ---and they have reasonable proof?
I'm not sure I understand the argument.
Are you saying that it is not appropriate to share the source, because you are not sure that the it is covered under the GPL? In that case, are you not opening yourself to greater liability by continuing to modify and use it, if you are not sure whether it is covered by the GPL or not.
The whole point of the GPL is that once the code is released under the GPL that there is an explicit grant to EVERYBODY to do with the code as they see fit, the only restriction being that you must continue to share the source.
It seems to me that if you comply with the GPL, you have a reasonable argument that you acted in good faith and you can claim innocent infingement, regardless of who the original copyright holder is.
If on the other hand it is true that the GPL does not apply, you are quite right to worry about modifying and redistributing the code.
I apologize if I misundertood your argument, but I am not following. -Willem
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