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Re: [FRC] Melbourne update
by Wesley Smith 18 Nov '16

18 Nov '16

Osvaldo, Got five emails from you with no responses other than old traffic? 73's Wes Smith (N3CMH) -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 11/11/16, osvaldo hernandez <ozzzy37(a)hotmail.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [FRC] Melbourne update To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Date: Friday, November 11, 2016, 11:17 AM Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Wesley Smith <snoopy22(a)bellsouth.net> Date: 11/11/16 8:16 AM (GMT-05:00) To: BryanFlorida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Melbourne update Bryan, Good to hear that progress, although small, was made. I like your ideas. Patients!!! 73's Wes Smith (N3CMH) -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/10/16, Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> wrote: Subject: [FRC] Melbourne update To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Date: Thursday, November 10, 2016, 8:26 PM I've been holding off on this as I was hoping to have more forward progress to report. Also I've been rather busy at work with out much free time to devote to FRC issues. Video/audio of the meeting is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLDaJj0OY3U Prior to the meeting President Kassis and other board members had a discussion with my group. The president wanted to know why we were demanding his removal, and I explained his failure to follow the law and the bylaws made him unfit for office. The same held true for directors Fletcher, Rodkis and Lavender. The president failed to comprehend how not responding to my inquiry and my attorneys inquiry was actionable and exposed us to liability. Secretary Fletcher would not even make eye contact with me when asked about the phone call he placed to me regarding this inquiry. He denied even placing it. This was not a good start, but we did make some progress. What we did agree on was to start a process development committee (PDC) where any member can propose changes to process and the bylaws and the rest of the members will vote on it. This will check the authority of the board and allow any members to improve FRC process/policies. My friend Dave, NX4Y agreed to be the PDC chair with me being a member of this committee. This was our agreement going into the meeting. I thought we had some good progress, and was I positive going into the formal FRC meeting. At the meeting we did get some of what we wanted, director Lavender was absent and had tendered his resignation. The director Butler resigned as well. Secretary Fletcher, President Kassis, and Dana Rodakis (not present) refused to resign, but President Kassis had given me his word we would work together. All was fine till we got to the board meeting, and it was quite obvious Secretary Fletcher runs things as if he's the president. One of his first orders of business was to remove Director Gonzalez from the board for missing two meetings. While this is permitted under the bylaws, the FRC has never done it before. The Director was an acquaintance of mine and director Fetcher made a motion to remove him due in no small part to this. President Kassis reappointed the removed Director and they voted to accept it, with the notable exception of Secretary Fletcher. After this they created the Process development committee as we'd agreed to with Dave, NX4Y as the chair. However they appointed a number of people to the PDC and refused to appoint me as agreed prior. Adding further insult to this, Secretary Fletcher invented a new point of business that I was a member of the FRC, as the board never voted to approve my membership. I have been paid for 3 year, have PayPal receipts to Dana Rodakis proving this, and in the history of the FRC, no members have ever been approved by the board. Further he stated, they can't process any memberships as the treasurer was not in attendance! Moving past this as they knew they were on shaky legal ground, Secretary Fletcher with President Kassis now invented the requirement that I stop all legal action and consulting with my attorney regarding the FRC. This is quite illegal. I had to get up and raise my voice for the President to live up to his end of our agreement. Eventually a compromise was reached with me agreeing to halt any legal matters and I'll be part of the committee. Regardless I said I would consider the matter closed and we moved forward. As of now we have a PDC forum website and we're working on the process of the PDC. Once this is done, any member will be able to write up a proposal and have it voted on by the membership. I believe this will allow us to change the FRC for the better in the long term. Our goal is to be up and running with this in a couple months from Melbourne. Once this is in place we'll be able to attack the ongoing issues such as: New coordination taking months or years Renewals not being processed in a timely manner The ongoing issue of paper repeaters Unprotected or test pairs Single points of failure Legal compliance (FL, IRS, etc.) Etc. We're going to work hard with the board over the next few months and I hope we'll have some forward progress soon. This is most significant development to come from the FRC in the past 20 years. Let's look to the future and how we can improve coordination in Florida. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info(a)lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info Unsubscribe: <mailto:frc-info-unsubscribe@lists.keekles.org> _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info(a)lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info Unsubscribe: <mailto:frc-info-unsubscribe@lists.keekles.org> -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info(a)lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info Unsubscribe: <mailto:frc-info-unsubscribe@lists.keekles.org>

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Melbourne update
by Bryan Fields 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

I've been holding off on this as I was hoping to have more forward progress to report. Also I've been rather busy at work with out much free time to devote to FRC issues. Video/audio of the meeting is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLDaJj0OY3U Prior to the meeting President Kassis and other board members had a discussion with my group. The president wanted to know why we were demanding his removal, and I explained his failure to follow the law and the bylaws made him unfit for office. The same held true for directors Fletcher, Rodkis and Lavender. The president failed to comprehend how not responding to my inquiry and my attorneys inquiry was actionable and exposed us to liability. Secretary Fletcher would not even make eye contact with me when asked about the phone call he placed to me regarding this inquiry. He denied even placing it. This was not a good start, but we did make some progress. What we did agree on was to start a process development committee (PDC) where any member can propose changes to process and the bylaws and the rest of the members will vote on it. This will check the authority of the board and allow any members to improve FRC process/policies. My friend Dave, NX4Y agreed to be the PDC chair with me being a member of this committee. This was our agreement going into the meeting. I thought we had some good progress, and was I positive going into the formal FRC meeting. At the meeting we did get some of what we wanted, director Lavender was absent and had tendered his resignation. The director Butler resigned as well. Secretary Fletcher, President Kassis, and Dana Rodakis (not present) refused to resign, but President Kassis had given me his word we would work together. All was fine till we got to the board meeting, and it was quite obvious Secretary Fletcher runs things as if he's the president. One of his first orders of business was to remove Director Gonzalez from the board for missing two meetings. While this is permitted under the bylaws, the FRC has never done it before. The Director was an acquaintance of mine and director Fetcher made a motion to remove him due in no small part to this. President Kassis reappointed the removed Director and they voted to accept it, with the notable exception of Secretary Fletcher. After this they created the Process development committee as we'd agreed to with Dave, NX4Y as the chair. However they appointed a number of people to the PDC and refused to appoint me as agreed prior. Adding further insult to this, Secretary Fletcher invented a new point of business that I was a member of the FRC, as the board never voted to approve my membership. I have been paid for 3 year, have PayPal receipts to Dana Rodakis proving this, and in the history of the FRC, no members have ever been approved by the board. Further he stated, they can't process any memberships as the treasurer was not in attendance! Moving past this as they knew they were on shaky legal ground, Secretary Fletcher with President Kassis now invented the requirement that I stop all legal action and consulting with my attorney regarding the FRC. This is quite illegal. I had to get up and raise my voice for the President to live up to his end of our agreement. Eventually a compromise was reached with me agreeing to halt any legal matters and I'll be part of the committee. Regardless I said I would consider the matter closed and we moved forward. As of now we have a PDC forum website and we're working on the process of the PDC. Once this is done, any member will be able to write up a proposal and have it voted on by the membership. I believe this will allow us to change the FRC for the better in the long term. Our goal is to be up and running with this in a couple months from Melbourne. Once this is in place we'll be able to attack the ongoing issues such as: New coordination taking months or years Renewals not being processed in a timely manner The ongoing issue of paper repeaters Unprotected or test pairs Single points of failure Legal compliance (FL, IRS, etc.) Etc. We're going to work hard with the board over the next few months and I hope we'll have some forward progress soon. This is most significant development to come from the FRC in the past 20 years. Let's look to the future and how we can improve coordination in Florida. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

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Re: [FRC] Melbourne update
by Wesley Smith 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

Bryan, Good to hear that progress, although small, was made. I like your ideas. Patients!!! 73's Wes Smith (N3CMH) -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 11/10/16, Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> wrote: Subject: [FRC] Melbourne update To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Date: Thursday, November 10, 2016, 8:26 PM I've been holding off on this as I was hoping to have more forward progress to report. Also I've been rather busy at work with out much free time to devote to FRC issues. Video/audio of the meeting is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLDaJj0OY3U Prior to the meeting President Kassis and other board members had a discussion with my group. The president wanted to know why we were demanding his removal, and I explained his failure to follow the law and the bylaws made him unfit for office. The same held true for directors Fletcher, Rodkis and Lavender. The president failed to comprehend how not responding to my inquiry and my attorneys inquiry was actionable and exposed us to liability. Secretary Fletcher would not even make eye contact with me when asked about the phone call he placed to me regarding this inquiry. He denied even placing it. This was not a good start, but we did make some progress. What we did agree on was to start a process development committee (PDC) where any member can propose changes to process and the bylaws and the rest of the members will vote on it. This will check the authority of the board and allow any members to improve FRC process/policies. My friend Dave, NX4Y agreed to be the PDC chair with me being a member of this committee. This was our agreement going into the meeting. I thought we had some good progress, and was I positive going into the formal FRC meeting. At the meeting we did get some of what we wanted, director Lavender was absent and had tendered his resignation. The director Butler resigned as well. Secretary Fletcher, President Kassis, and Dana Rodakis (not present) refused to resign, but President Kassis had given me his word we would work together. All was fine till we got to the board meeting, and it was quite obvious Secretary Fletcher runs things as if he's the president. One of his first orders of business was to remove Director Gonzalez from the board for missing two meetings. While this is permitted under the bylaws, the FRC has never done it before. The Director was an acquaintance of mine and director Fetcher made a motion to remove him due in no small part to this. President Kassis reappointed the removed Director and they voted to accept it, with the notable exception of Secretary Fletcher. After this they created the Process development committee as we'd agreed to with Dave, NX4Y as the chair. However they appointed a number of people to the PDC and refused to appoint me as agreed prior. Adding further insult to this, Secretary Fletcher invented a new point of business that I was a member of the FRC, as the board never voted to approve my membership. I have been paid for 3 year, have PayPal receipts to Dana Rodakis proving this, and in the history of the FRC, no members have ever been approved by the board. Further he stated, they can't process any memberships as the treasurer was not in attendance! Moving past this as they knew they were on shaky legal ground, Secretary Fletcher with President Kassis now invented the requirement that I stop all legal action and consulting with my attorney regarding the FRC. This is quite illegal. I had to get up and raise my voice for the President to live up to his end of our agreement. Eventually a compromise was reached with me agreeing to halt any legal matters and I'll be part of the committee. Regardless I said I would consider the matter closed and we moved forward. As of now we have a PDC forum website and we're working on the process of the PDC. Once this is done, any member will be able to write up a proposal and have it voted on by the membership. I believe this will allow us to change the FRC for the better in the long term. Our goal is to be up and running with this in a couple months from Melbourne. Once this is in place we'll be able to attack the ongoing issues such as: New coordination taking months or years Renewals not being processed in a timely manner The ongoing issue of paper repeaters Unprotected or test pairs Single points of failure Legal compliance (FL, IRS, etc.) Etc. We're going to work hard with the board over the next few months and I hope we'll have some forward progress soon. This is most significant development to come from the FRC in the past 20 years. Let's look to the future and how we can improve coordination in Florida. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info(a)lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info Unsubscribe: <mailto:frc-info-unsubscribe@lists.keekles.org>

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Re: [FRC] Possible issues with FL repeater coordination
by kg4ugk 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

And this is why.. we have people operating repeaters without coordination in this state. If we cant protect our frequency pairs via the FRC and the ARRL doesnt want to get involved... I guess everything inevitability breaks down, and we are told to just accept it. Why do we encourage younger generations to partake in the wonderful world of ham radio. Just wow. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: David Krauss <nx4y(a)verizon.net> Date: 11/11/16 12:00 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Possible issues with FL repeater coordination The issue is resolved. do we want to continue to argue or move on, folks ? it's not like this is a presidential election or something :) Sent from an iPhone 6 > On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:57 PM, Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> wrote: > >> On 11/10/16 11:32 PM, kg4ugk wrote: >> Was this board and the FRC made aware that you in fact helped spread the >> leaked database? Was the ARRL brought in to provide support? > > The ARRL was made aware of these issues. They have chosen to stay out of it. > >> I personally, dont like the idea of Bryan being apart of this committee. > > I don't like that idea either. > >> We >> are all not just hams. We live other lives, have other jobs. We should be >> able to personally choose if we want information available and our home >> phone numbers and addresses being immediately exposed with a quick google >> search of your own name now, everyone on this list should in some way feel >> violated. > > You have all this information listed in the FCC database. > >> Theres a reason even QRZ requires registration and log ins prior >> to the address you want listed on there viewable to other HAMs, not the >> entire free world. > > Again, FCC database has this. I'm not sure why QRZ doesn't show it, perhaps > to encourage account creation as they are an advertisement platform. > >> I don't want every person I hand my business card to be >> able to call me at home or stop by my house because I didnt call them back >> before close of day, as I'd imagine some of you may feel. As soon as this >> database was made viewable, and he facilitated the distribution of said >> hacked database, he officially made himself an accomplice to the original >> crime. > > There was no crime and this is publicly available information. The FRC cannot > promise to keep your information private legally. > > At the end of the day more information is on your voter registration than > what's in some repeater records. > >> I do like the idea of the PDC, but as to the interactions and >> confrontational approach he has, would not be conducive to the survival of >> the FRC. Yes he has made some valid points, and a plan was put in motion, >> great. > > Then get involved. What do you want to see change? > > >> Bryan himself previously stated that it takes the FRC too long to provide >> updates, and we've been waiting quietly for his update.. his first order of >> being appointed to a newly formed committee is to state he hasnt had much >> time to devote to FRC issues. It usually rolls downhill. > > I've been waiting for replies to emails and things I've sent out. We've had > no movement yet. As you said "We are all not just hams. We live other lives, > have other jobs." > >> Theres a reason >> that a chain of command exists. I am now CC'ing the NFCC board members, as >> the ARRL should probably provide additional support, after all.. they are >> the ones who govern whos ultimately the coordinating body for each state, >> but after the extensive actions taken on Bryans side. When we are already >> vunerable to hacks in the computer day and age, Bryan in fact is going to >> set us back and harm the FL ham community. I am also going to talk to the >> local hams in broward county that have a bigger reach into our local >> repeater owners than I do. > > The ARRL does not want to be involved, I've contacted them. > >> IMPORTANT.To appoint someone to a committee to stop his legal attempts was >> not a wise decision, contacting the FCC or ARRL for assistance in this >> dispute should help resolve this. > > To make a contract contingent on a party forgoing legal representation is not > legal. I only was asking for a members roster and the results of the past > four elections from the board. The fact they refused to provide this to a > member is disgusting. At that point, what option does one have other than to > retain counsel? > -- > Bryan Fields > > 727-409-1194 - Voice > http://bryanfields.net > _______________________________________________ > FRC-Info mailing list > FRC-Info(a)lists.keekles.org > http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info > Unsubscribe: <mailto:frc-info-unsubscribe@lists.keekles.org> _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info(a)lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info Unsubscribe: <mailto:frc-info-unsubscribe@lists.keekles.org>

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Information
by Mark Brandel 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

I am the trustee of three club repeaters in Okeechobee and trying to find out if we're current or not. I understand there are issues with the web site, but I would like to know a status update and don't who from or how to get information. Any help will be appreciated, or can I be added to the mail list with updated information. Thank you, Mark Brandel KF4EA Mark(a)MarkBrandel.com

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Re: [FRC] Updates after the meeting
by kg4ugk 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

Wondering what the results were ;) Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> Date: 10/23/16 11:12 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: [FRC] Updates after the meeting There was some forward progress, and I'll have a longer email coming in the next day. I didn't have time last night or today to write up as I have other personal commitments. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info(a)lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info Unsubscribe: <mailto:frc-info-unsubscribe@lists.keekles.org>

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Re: [FRC] Sadness for loss of Ray N4LEM
by osvaldo hernandez 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: Michael Fontana <mfontana1(a)cfl.rr.com> Date: 11/11/16 11:08 AM (GMT-05:00) To: frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org Subject: [FRC] Sadness for loss of Ray N4LEM A very tragic loss! He will sorely be missed! Mike N1RFD ______________________________________ The word has come to my attention that we have a silent key, Ray Kassis, N4LEM. What a great lost. Lets remember him and attend his menorial. Sincerely, Bill Young KA4VYH

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Sadness for loss of Ray N4LEM
by Michael Fontana 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

A very tragic loss! He will sorely be missed! Mike N1RFD ______________________________________ The word has come to my attention that we have a silent key, Ray Kassis, N4LEM. What a great lost. Lets remember him and attend his menorial. Sincerely, Bill Young KA4VYH

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Re: [FRC] Possible issues with FL repeater coordination
by kg4ugk 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

Was this board and the FRC made aware that you in fact helped spread the leaked database? Was the ARRL brought in to provide support? I personally, dont like the idea of Bryan being apart of this committee. We are all not just hams. We live other lives, have other jobs. We should be able to personally choose if we want information available and our home phone numbers and addresses being immediately exposed with a quick google search of your own name now, everyone on this list should in some way feel violated. Theres a reason even QRZ requires registration and log ins prior to the address you want listed on there viewable to other HAMs, not the entire free world. I don't want every person I hand my business card to be able to call me at home or stop by my house because I didnt call them back before close of day, as I'd imagine some of you may feel. As soon as this database was made viewable, and he facilitated the distribution of said hacked database, he officially made himself an accomplice to the original crime. I do like the idea of the PDC, but as to the interactions and confrontational approach he has, would not be conducive to the survival of the FRC. Yes he has made some valid points, and a plan was put in motion, great. Bryan himself previously stated that it takes the FRC too long to provide updates, and we've been waiting quietly for his update.. his first order of being appointed to a newly formed committee is to state he hasnt had much time to devote to FRC issues. It usually rolls downhill. Theres a reason that a chain of command exists. I am now CC'ing the NFCC board members, as the ARRL should probably provide additional support, after all.. they are the ones who govern whos ultimately the coordinating body for each state, but after the extensive actions taken on Bryans side. When we are already vunerable to hacks in the computer day and age, Bryan in fact is going to set us back and harm the FL ham community. I am also going to talk to the local hams in broward county that have a bigger reach into our local repeater owners than I do. IMPORTANT.To appoint someone to a committee to stop his legal attempts was not a wise decision, contacting the FCC or ARRL for assistance in this dispute should help resolve this. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> Date: 11/10/16 9:26 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: [FRC] Melbourne update I've been holding off on this as I was hoping to have more forward progress to report. Also I've been rather busy at work with out much free time to devote to FRC issues. Video/audio of the meeting is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLDaJj0OY3U Prior to the meeting President Kassis and other board members had a discussion with my group. The president wanted to know why we were demanding his removal, and I explained his failure to follow the law and the bylaws made him unfit for office. The same held true for directors Fletcher, Rodkis and Lavender. The president failed to comprehend how not responding to my inquiry and my attorneys inquiry was actionable and exposed us to liability. Secretary Fletcher would not even make eye contact with me when asked about the phone call he placed to me regarding this inquiry. He denied even placing it. This was not a good start, but we did make some progress. What we did agree on was to start a process development committee (PDC) where any member can propose changes to process and the bylaws and the rest of the members will vote on it. This will check the authority of the board and allow any members to improve FRC process/policies. My friend Dave, NX4Y agreed to be the PDC chair with me being a member of this committee. This was our agreement going into the meeting. I thought we had some good progress, and was I positive going into the formal FRC meeting. At the meeting we did get some of what we wanted, director Lavender was absent and had tendered his resignation. The director Butler resigned as well. Secretary Fletcher, President Kassis, and Dana Rodakis (not present) refused to resign, but President Kassis had given me his word we would work together. All was fine till we got to the board meeting, and it was quite obvious Secretary Fletcher runs things as if he's the president. One of his first orders of business was to remove Director Gonzalez from the board for missing two meetings. While this is permitted under the bylaws, the FRC has never done it before. The Director was an acquaintance of mine and director Fetcher made a motion to remove him due in no small part to this. President Kassis reappointed the removed Director and they voted to accept it, with the notable exception of Secretary Fletcher. After this they created the Process development committee as we'd agreed to with Dave, NX4Y as the chair. However they appointed a number of people to the PDC and refused to appoint me as agreed prior. Adding further insult to this, Secretary Fletcher invented a new point of business that I was a member of the FRC, as the board never voted to approve my membership. I have been paid for 3 year, have PayPal receipts to Dana Rodakis proving this, and in the history of the FRC, no members have ever been approved by the board. Further he stated, they can't process any memberships as the treasurer was not in attendance! Moving past this as they knew they were on shaky legal ground, Secretary Fletcher with President Kassis now invented the requirement that I stop all legal action and consulting with my attorney regarding the FRC. This is quite illegal. I had to get up and raise my voice for the President to live up to his end of our agreement. Eventually a compromise was reached with me agreeing to halt any legal matters and I'll be part of the committee. Regardless I said I would consider the matter closed and we moved forward. As of now we have a PDC forum website and we're working on the process of the PDC. Once this is done, any member will be able to write up a proposal and have it voted on by the membership. I believe this will allow us to change the FRC for the better in the long term. Our goal is to be up and running with this in a couple months from Melbourne. Once this is in place we'll be able to attack the ongoing issues such as: New coordination taking months or years Renewals not being processed in a timely manner The ongoing issue of paper repeaters Unprotected or test pairs Single points of failure Legal compliance (FL, IRS, etc.) Etc. We're going to work hard with the board over the next few months and I hope we'll have some forward progress soon. This is most significant development to come from the FRC in the past 20 years. Let's look to the future and how we can improve coordination in Florida. 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info(a)lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info Unsubscribe: <mailto:frc-info-unsubscribe@lists.keekles.org>

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Re: [FRC] Possible issues with FL repeater coordination
by kg4ugk 11 Nov '16

11 Nov '16

Yep. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> Date: 11/10/16 11:57 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Cc: tomray(a)hvc.rr.com, mark(a)stennett.com, dir1(a)florida-repeaters.org, kengkopp(a)gmail.com, k0pp(a)arrl.net Subject: Re: [FRC] Possible issues with FL repeater coordination On 11/10/16 11:32 PM, kg4ugk wrote: > Was this board and the FRC made aware that you in fact helped spread the > leaked database? Was the ARRL brought in to provide support? The ARRL was made aware of these issues. They have chosen to stay out of it. > I personally, dont like the idea of Bryan being apart of this committee. I don't like that idea either. > We > are all not just hams. We live other lives, have other jobs. We should be > able to personally choose if we want information available and our home > phone numbers and addresses being immediately exposed with a quick google > search of your own name now, everyone on this list should in some way feel > violated. You have all this information listed in the FCC database. > Theres a reason even QRZ requires registration and log ins prior > to the address you want listed on there viewable to other HAMs, not the > entire free world. Again, FCC database has this. I'm not sure why QRZ doesn't show it, perhaps to encourage account creation as they are an advertisement platform. > I don't want every person I hand my business card to be > able to call me at home or stop by my house because I didnt call them back > before close of day, as I'd imagine some of you may feel. As soon as this > database was made viewable, and he facilitated the distribution of said > hacked database, he officially made himself an accomplice to the original > crime. There was no crime and this is publicly available information. The FRC cannot promise to keep your information private legally. At the end of the day more information is on your voter registration than what's in some repeater records. > I do like the idea of the PDC, but as to the interactions and > confrontational approach he has, would not be conducive to the survival of > the FRC. Yes he has made some valid points, and a plan was put in motion, > great. Then get involved. What do you want to see change? > Bryan himself previously stated that it takes the FRC too long to provide > updates, and we've been waiting quietly for his update.. his first order of > being appointed to a newly formed committee is to state he hasnt had much > time to devote to FRC issues. It usually rolls downhill. I've been waiting for replies to emails and things I've sent out. We've had no movement yet. As you said "We are all not just hams. We live other lives, have other jobs." > Theres a reason > that a chain of command exists. I am now CC'ing the NFCC board members, as > the ARRL should probably provide additional support, after all.. they are > the ones who govern whos ultimately the coordinating body for each state, > but after the extensive actions taken on Bryans side. When we are already > vunerable to hacks in the computer day and age, Bryan in fact is going to > set us back and harm the FL ham community. I am also going to talk to the > local hams in broward county that have a bigger reach into our local > repeater owners than I do. The ARRL does not want to be involved, I've contacted them. > IMPORTANT.To appoint someone to a committee to stop his legal attempts was > not a wise decision, contacting the FCC or ARRL for assistance in this > dispute should help resolve this. To make a contract contingent on a party forgoing legal representation is not legal. I only was asking for a members roster and the results of the past four elections from the board. The fact they refused to provide this to a member is disgusting. At that point, what option does one have other than to retain counsel? -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info(a)lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info Unsubscribe: <mailto:frc-info-unsubscribe@lists.keekles.org>

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