Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26
Thanks Kevin, more positive from you! Others: "billable time" - seriously? that's a play I work on consumer vendors for spite. If you back-bill your hobby and intellectual time on self-assigned-worth values... in THIS context. Thanks for your call, we'll get back to you, never. We're talking about $3-12 free-market parts and 20 minutes of gawd-awful soldering level of effort here. Sheesh. I am just curious about and enabling least-common-denominator implementation and idea sharing as supplies morph and shift. If I wanted $450/hr engineering... well, a lot of folks would starve. Campbells or Progressive cans? When I make all this work, the for-self-assigned-value folks self-obligated to a sub-contracted fee of $375 per implementation, non-commercial... I want to be fair and allow you something for your list trolling and link-clicking efforts. (I am familiar with intellectual property, fair-use and public domain issues... you admitted to be exempt and obligated otherwise! pffft.) From: "app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org> To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:51 PM Subject: App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26 Send App_rpt-users mailing list submissions to app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org You can reach the person managing the list at app_rpt-users-owner@ohnosec.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of App_rpt-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. USB Sound Dongle Challenges (Jim Aspinwall) 2. New Dongle Potential (Jim Aspinwall) 3. Re: New Dongle Potential (Kevin Custer) 4. Re: New Dongle Potential (Bryan D. Boyle) 5. Re: New Dongle Potential (Steve Zingman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:05:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Aspinwall <no1pc@yahoo.com> To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Sound Dongle Challenges Message-ID: <504928773.650221.1458079554502.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The original CM-108/-109-based products a few have documented mods for are evaporating from common availability.? A few of us have ordered or tried to order from "known good links" (circa 2014/2015) off Amazon or eBay only to encounter dead/expired/no-longer-available links or "byte the bullet" and opt for a 108/109-claiming look-alike and come up with yet another version of unusable product. If we can determine the same/similar/equivalent pinout locations between the 108, 109, 119 or whatever different chips we might be able to revise some of the mod docs for alternatives. However, the latest small batch I acquired came with not pin-exposed chip-on-board (for which there could be more hope) but connection flooded die-on-board implementations and drastically differently layout, no direct access to pins without risking the chip trying to 'uncap' it. Two recent acquisitions pictured: http://www.no1pc.org/radio/NewerChip.jpg?- CM119 chip - one such device has already been proven to work with IRLP and Asterisk via Pi - but I'd like to do the PTT/COS tap-offs. http://www.no1pc.org/radio/DieOnBoard2.jpg?- not yet sure of the chip, but pinouts are obviously a challenge. I can try to poke about and see if the exposed-pin CM119 is viable, if someone familiar with the chips or their layout can advice. ?The die-version - good luck? Ideas? ?Existing updates?
Time is worth something; reinventing the wheel to accomplish what already exists is, to me, and me only, a waste of time. there are a lot more other interesting things to do in the hobby, for me and me only, than hack at cheap chinese sound dongles to try and get them to do what is already accomplished by supporting fellow hams who have taken the time to think it through and don't charge an arm and leg to do so. But that is my opinion on how I interface and spend my time in the hobby. How you view it is how you view it. Whether you agree with me or not or not is irrelevant as is your opinion, to me and me only, as to how I view what my time is worth in making that decision whether to build or buy. Neither view is absolutely wrong, and neither is absolutely right, jus as the motivation for doing so. besides, it's just a hobby, and has no importance other than that. I walked away from it in 1989 when I lost interest, and have no doubt that I will do the same again before my final chapter is written. -- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Mar 16, 2016, at 01:44, Jim Aspinwall <no1pc@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks Kevin, more positive from you!
Others: "billable time" - seriously? that's a play I work on consumer vendors for spite.
If you back-bill your hobby and intellectual time on self-assigned-worth values... in THIS context. Thanks for your call, we'll get back to you, never.
We're talking about $3-12 free-market parts and 20 minutes of gawd-awful soldering level of effort here. Sheesh.
I am just curious about and enabling least-common-denominator implementation and idea sharing as supplies morph and shift. If I wanted $450/hr engineering... well, a lot of folks would starve. Campbells or Progressive cans? When I make all this work, the for-self-assigned-value folks self-obligated to a sub-contracted fee of $375 per implementation, non-commercial... I want to be fair and allow you something for your list trolling and link-clicking efforts.
(I am familiar with intellectual property, fair-use and public domain issues... you admitted to be exempt and obligated otherwise! pffft.)
From: "app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org> To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:51 PM Subject: App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26
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1. USB Sound Dongle Challenges (Jim Aspinwall) 2. New Dongle Potential (Jim Aspinwall) 3. Re: New Dongle Potential (Kevin Custer) 4. Re: New Dongle Potential (Bryan D. Boyle) 5. Re: New Dongle Potential (Steve Zingman)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:05:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Aspinwall <no1pc@yahoo.com> To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Sound Dongle Challenges Message-ID: <504928773.650221.1458079554502.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
The original CM-108/-109-based products a few have documented mods for are evaporating from common availability.? A few of us have ordered or tried to order from "known good links" (circa 2014/2015) off Amazon or eBay only to encounter dead/expired/no-longer-available links or "byte the bullet" and opt for a 108/109-claiming look-alike and come up with yet another version of unusable product. If we can determine the same/similar/equivalent pinout locations between the 108, 109, 119 or whatever different chips we might be able to revise some of the mod docs for alternatives. However, the latest small batch I acquired came with not pin-exposed chip-on-board (for which there could be more hope) but connection flooded die-on-board implementations and drastically differently layout, no direct access to pins without risking the chip trying to 'uncap' it. Two recent acquisitions pictured: http://www.no1pc.org/radio/NewerChip.jpg?- CM119 chip - one such device has already been proven to work with IRLP and Asterisk via Pi - but I'd like to do the PTT/COS tap-offs.
http://www.no1pc.org/radio/DieOnBoard2.jpg?- not yet sure of the chip, but pinouts are obviously a challenge.
I can try to poke about and see if the exposed-pin CM119 is viable, if someone familiar with the chips or their layout can advice. ?The die-version - good luck? Ideas? ?Existing updates?
On 3/16/16 7:46 AM, Bryan D. Boyle wrote:
Time is worth something; reinventing the wheel to accomplish what already exists is, to me, and me only, a waste of time.
But there are lots of retired hams who have more time than money. I'm not one just yet :( It's funny, I sell quantar firmware SIMMs on eBay, and I have clearly stated in the ad if you want >1 I'll knock 25 bux off. I had a fella message me with this gem yesterday when I refused his half price offer for one unit. "WHY YOU CHARGE SUCH HIGH PRICE FOR SOMETHIN YOU BUILD IN 10 MIN! IT DOCUMENTTED ON THE WEB WHAT YOU SELL! WHAT THINK YOU DESERVE FOR COPYING SOME ONE ELSE WORK AND SELLING IT!" He gave me this link, http://wiki.w9cr.net/index.php/Quantar#SIMM_info implying I copied how to do it from there.. I made up some docs, take time and test each one and then package it. You're paying for my time and the convenience. Too much? I've documented it and you're free to build it yourself. Some people, right? :) 73's W9CR -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net
Darril Holland pass March 2 and I will like you take hem off you email holldrl@gt.rr.com ---- "Bryan D. Boyle" <bdboyle@bdboyle.com> wrote:
Time is worth something; reinventing the wheel to accomplish what already exists is, to me, and me only, a waste of time. there are a lot more other interesting things to do in the hobby, for me and me only, than hack at cheap chinese sound dongles to try and get them to do what is already accomplished by supporting fellow hams who have taken the time to think it through and don't charge an arm and leg to do so.
But that is my opinion on how I interface and spend my time in the hobby. How you view it is how you view it. Whether you agree with me or not or not is irrelevant as is your opinion, to me and me only, as to how I view what my time is worth in making that decision whether to build or buy. Neither view is absolutely wrong, and neither is absolutely right, jus as the motivation for doing so.
besides, it's just a hobby, and has no importance other than that. I walked away from it in 1989 when I lost interest, and have no doubt that I will do the same again before my final chapter is written.
-- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Mar 16, 2016, at 01:44, Jim Aspinwall <no1pc@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks Kevin, more positive from you!
Others: "billable time" - seriously? that's a play I work on consumer vendors for spite.
If you back-bill your hobby and intellectual time on self-assigned-worth values... in THIS context. Thanks for your call, we'll get back to you, never.
We're talking about $3-12 free-market parts and 20 minutes of gawd-awful soldering level of effort here. Sheesh.
I am just curious about and enabling least-common-denominator implementation and idea sharing as supplies morph and shift. If I wanted $450/hr engineering... well, a lot of folks would starve. Campbells or Progressive cans? When I make all this work, the for-self-assigned-value folks self-obligated to a sub-contracted fee of $375 per implementation, non-commercial... I want to be fair and allow you something for your list trolling and link-clicking efforts.
(I am familiar with intellectual property, fair-use and public domain issues... you admitted to be exempt and obligated otherwise! pffft.)
From: "app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org> To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:51 PM Subject: App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26
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Today's Topics:
1. USB Sound Dongle Challenges (Jim Aspinwall) 2. New Dongle Potential (Jim Aspinwall) 3. Re: New Dongle Potential (Kevin Custer) 4. Re: New Dongle Potential (Bryan D. Boyle) 5. Re: New Dongle Potential (Steve Zingman)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:05:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Aspinwall <no1pc@yahoo.com> To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Sound Dongle Challenges Message-ID: <504928773.650221.1458079554502.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
The original CM-108/-109-based products a few have documented mods for are evaporating from common availability.? A few of us have ordered or tried to order from "known good links" (circa 2014/2015) off Amazon or eBay only to encounter dead/expired/no-longer-available links or "byte the bullet" and opt for a 108/109-claiming look-alike and come up with yet another version of unusable product. If we can determine the same/similar/equivalent pinout locations between the 108, 109, 119 or whatever different chips we might be able to revise some of the mod docs for alternatives. However, the latest small batch I acquired came with not pin-exposed chip-on-board (for which there could be more hope) but connection flooded die-on-board implementations and drastically differently layout, no direct access to pins without risking the chip trying to 'uncap' it. Two recent acquisitions pictured: http://www.no1pc.org/radio/NewerChip.jpg?- CM119 chip - one such device has already been proven to work with IRLP and Asterisk via Pi - but I'd like to do the PTT/COS tap-offs.
http://www.no1pc.org/radio/DieOnBoard2.jpg?- not yet sure of the chip, but pinouts are obviously a challenge.
I can try to poke about and see if the exposed-pin CM119 is viable, if someone familiar with the chips or their layout can advice. ?The die-version - good luck? Ideas? ?Existing updates?
As stated in other groups that you have repeatedly posted on, please go to the bottom of the email for unsubscribe options... Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 16, 2016, at 5:59 PM, <holldrl@gt.rr.com> <holldrl@gt.rr.com> wrote:
Darril Holland pass March 2 and I will like you take hem off you email holldrl@gt.rr.com
---- "Bryan D. Boyle" <bdboyle@bdboyle.com> wrote:
Time is worth something; reinventing the wheel to accomplish what already exists is, to me, and me only, a waste of time. there are a lot more other interesting things to do in the hobby, for me and me only, than hack at cheap chinese sound dongles to try and get them to do what is already accomplished by supporting fellow hams who have taken the time to think it through and don't charge an arm and leg to do so.
But that is my opinion on how I interface and spend my time in the hobby. How you view it is how you view it. Whether you agree with me or not or not is irrelevant as is your opinion, to me and me only, as to how I view what my time is worth in making that decision whether to build or buy. Neither view is absolutely wrong, and neither is absolutely right, jus as the motivation for doing so.
besides, it's just a hobby, and has no importance other than that. I walked away from it in 1989 when I lost interest, and have no doubt that I will do the same again before my final chapter is written.
-- Bryan Sent from my iPhone 6S...No electrons were harmed in the sending of this message.
On Mar 16, 2016, at 01:44, Jim Aspinwall <no1pc@yahoo.com> wrote:
Thanks Kevin, more positive from you!
Others: "billable time" - seriously? that's a play I work on consumer vendors for spite.
If you back-bill your hobby and intellectual time on self-assigned-worth values... in THIS context. Thanks for your call, we'll get back to you, never.
We're talking about $3-12 free-market parts and 20 minutes of gawd-awful soldering level of effort here. Sheesh.
I am just curious about and enabling least-common-denominator implementation and idea sharing as supplies morph and shift. If I wanted $450/hr engineering... well, a lot of folks would starve. Campbells or Progressive cans? When I make all this work, the for-self-assigned-value folks self-obligated to a sub-contracted fee of $375 per implementation, non-commercial... I want to be fair and allow you something for your list trolling and link-clicking efforts.
(I am familiar with intellectual property, fair-use and public domain issues... you admitted to be exempt and obligated otherwise! pffft.)
From: "app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users-request@ohnosec.org> To: app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:51 PM Subject: App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26
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Today's Topics:
1. USB Sound Dongle Challenges (Jim Aspinwall) 2. New Dongle Potential (Jim Aspinwall) 3. Re: New Dongle Potential (Kevin Custer) 4. Re: New Dongle Potential (Bryan D. Boyle) 5. Re: New Dongle Potential (Steve Zingman)
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:05:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Aspinwall <no1pc@yahoo.com> To: "app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users@ohnosec.org> Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Sound Dongle Challenges Message-ID: <504928773.650221.1458079554502.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
The original CM-108/-109-based products a few have documented mods for are evaporating from common availability.? A few of us have ordered or tried to order from "known good links" (circa 2014/2015) off Amazon or eBay only to encounter dead/expired/no-longer-available links or "byte the bullet" and opt for a 108/109-claiming look-alike and come up with yet another version of unusable product. If we can determine the same/similar/equivalent pinout locations between the 108, 109, 119 or whatever different chips we might be able to revise some of the mod docs for alternatives. However, the latest small batch I acquired came with not pin-exposed chip-on-board (for which there could be more hope) but connection flooded die-on-board implementations and drastically differently layout, no direct access to pins without risking the chip trying to 'uncap' it. Two recent acquisitions pictured: http://www.no1pc.org/radio/NewerChip.jpg?- CM119 chip - one such device has already been proven to work with IRLP and Asterisk via Pi - but I'd like to do the PTT/COS tap-offs.
http://www.no1pc.org/radio/DieOnBoard2.jpg?- not yet sure of the chip, but pinouts are obviously a challenge.
I can try to poke about and see if the exposed-pin CM119 is viable, if someone familiar with the chips or their layout can advice. ?The die-version - good luck? Ideas? ?Existing updates?
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