I agree with Mickey, doing the work of the FRC requires commitment. It aint an easy job. I for one would not want to see an inexperienced Ham deciding coordination, someone who has not been involved with it for a while. Each repeater owner has their own needs and the FRC work has to do much more than assign pairs. Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate. Do we want this in FRC??? 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com ________________________________ From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Mickey Baker <n4mb@arrl.net> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 11:35 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information A couple of words of advice from an experienced IT engineer - who has had an IT management position in Florida in the public sector as well as worked at DoD: 1. Anyone who doesn't want unpredictable emails on their corporate or government email server shouldn't subscribe to open lists. Get a free email account, like this one from Google and point all the groups to that email. 2. Anyone hoping that what they write in an email could remain private should learn to use email encryption. I won't go into details, but... 3. Anyone sending a plain language email should anticipate that email being read by anyone anywhere. That said, I've found the entire FRC to be a slow moving, difficult to deal with organization with antique web sites. Some of the directors are a bit gruff and condescending, but I find that a common trait among long term hams, particular trying to relate to the current crop of no-code licensees. I include myself, as I quickly lose patience with folks who don't know the basic things covered in the license material. I submitted a coordination request the day I got a message in May that the W4AB 2m repeater coordination had expired - May 7, 2016. It was approved over this weekend - almost 5 months to approve a registration for a repeater that has been in operation on that frequency at that site for 28 years. W4AB is currently not in the directory they publish, but now that the "official" ARRL repeater directory is now RFinder, I can (and do) deal directly with them for directory issues. My local director (Mark) has been very responsive, but he doesn't have direct access to add to or edit the database! It is my understanding that coordinations are handled by Dana and he's the only one with database access. Something might be going on in his personal life that causes this delay, but it is the duty of people with responsibility to engage with others to ensure succession of the organization and the mission. This appears to be the point of failure in many organizations but is key to the survival of that organization. All that said, here's the problem - if everyone on the board resigns or gets otherwise terminated, someone needs to have the time, talent and inclination to immediately recover data from wherever it is and create a new database and start up a complete new system, while doing all the things the current FRC are doing now... this will require cooperation with the current directors, particularly Dana. Are we all ready for that? If so, let's go get this handed over. Exactly where and when is the meeting next weekend? Mickey N4MB Mickey Baker, N4MB Fort Lauderdale, FL “Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying. On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Dave Messinger H. <dmessing@pbcgov.org<mailto:dmessing@pbcgov.org>> wrote: Gentlemen (and Ladies, if any) , I don’t know where you got this e-mail from. I truly doubt you got it legitimately from the FRC. Regardless, I have not asked to be included in this group or any discussions, You are e-mailing my work/Government e-mail account (so everything is open the Florida Sunshine Law), And finally, I have never had any troubles with the Florida Repeater Council. They have always acted quickly and fairly with any questions or registration I have had. Mr. Fields, I would ask that, in the future, you consider your actions a bit more before blindly e-mailing a large group of people with your grievances. -----=====-----=====----- Dave H. Messinger Communications Specialist Palm Beach County Network Support Services FCC Licenses: N4QPM, WQCA678 [cid:image002.png@01CAB493.44E57100] Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regarding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure. --- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org<mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org>] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com<mailto:kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org<mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org>> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed. Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones. In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination. Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair. Best regards, Shawn Campbell KG4UGK -----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com<mailto:vern@highwayusa.com> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org<mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org>> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through. Vern KI4ONW

P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any questions.

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On 10/3/16 1:26 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:

How are they not allowing all to communicate?

I'd asked the FRC for a members list before informally and was rebuffed. I asked again formally under FS 617 and was ignored (this is a legal requirement). You can see my formal request here: http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/Reference%20%239.pdf I got the FRC database from reddit, and it had the email addresses of everyone who was coordinated or applied to be in it. I used that as the basis of this list. I wish I had a better option, but I've been unsubscribing anyone who's asked ASAP. It's not my intent to annoy anyone. I think the members need to communicate directly more than 3 times per year at a members meeting. There a many who can be valuable contributors but not necessarily make the meetings. An email list has worked well for many other groups, why not repeater owners and those interested in coordination in Florida? 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net

??????????????? From: Tom W1ALZ <URL4603RD@Comcast.Net> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information Bryan,     I "may" have had an interest in your subject, BUT after blowing up mine & everyone's email accounts, I'm thinking your going to have some "hard sledding" getting backing.     Yes, I'm the control operator of a Florida repeater. 73, Tom W1ALZ _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info

All- May I suggest you not 'REPLY' to these emails but rather contact the originator directly by clicking his email address : Bryan@bryanfields.net Hitting reply goes back to the distribution list and SPAMS everyone. Bryan- Please remove my address. Thank you, N4GWM -----Original Message----- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of Bryan Fields Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 2:26 PM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information On 10/3/16 1:26 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:

How are they not allowing all to communicate?

I'd asked the FRC for a members list before informally and was rebuffed. I asked again formally under FS 617 and was ignored (this is a legal requirement). You can see my formal request here: http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/Reference%20%239.pdf I got the FRC database from reddit, and it had the email addresses of everyone who was coordinated or applied to be in it. I used that as the basis of this list. I wish I had a better option, but I've been unsubscribing anyone who's asked ASAP. It's not my intent to annoy anyone. I think the members need to communicate directly more than 3 times per year at a members meeting. There a many who can be valuable contributors but not necessarily make the meetings. An email list has worked well for many other groups, why not repeater owners and those interested in coordination in Florida? 73's -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice http://bryanfields.net _______________________________________________ FRC-Info mailing list FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info

Hi Ron, et. al... I'm seeing both sides of the conversation, so I'm not sure what you're referring to. I've been part of an group that's owned a UHF repeater, both with and without 6M and 10M remote base' for twenty years. Honestly, this is the first dialogue I've seen among other Florida repeater owners in all those years -- save for an occasional meeting that I've attended. I'm interested in amateur radio, motorcycles, shooting sports, Chevrolet vehicles, and the list goes on. For all of those interests I've found an email reflector or FB group indispensable to bounce ideas off of others of a common mindset. If you're technically inclined and are looking to join a large-scale group devoted to every aspect of repeater operations - Repeater-Builder at YahooGroups! works well. If you're a member of the FRC and ever wished to network with other owners from across the state; heretofore you've out of luck. If the FRC, operating as a volunteer coordinating body /is /or /isn't/ serving all of its members fairly and equitably, then the group of owners is best served when they're no longer in the dark. I like the idea of polite discussion. Share your ideas via email and attend the meetings to be heard. 73, Jon Pearl - W4ABC "Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman." -Justice Louis Brandeis On 10/3/2016 4:21 PM, Ron Wright wrote:

Well seems was getting emails abt FRC from one source. I hope all comments are given

And when only one person wants so many removed kinda goes to unreasonable.

Is good for many get involved.

73, Ron,n9ee/r Sent from my iPhone

...

On Oct 3, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote:

How are they not allowing all to communicate?

73, Steve N4IRS

(snip)

--- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus

?????????????? From: Ron Wright <mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information Well seems was getting emails abt FRC from one source. I hope all comments are given And when only one person wants so many removed kinda goes to unreasonable. Is good for many get involved. 73, Ron,n9ee/r Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 3, 2016, at 1:52 PM, Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote:

How are they not allowing all to communicate?

73, Steve N4IRS

...

On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote: I agree with Mickey, doing the work of the FRC requires commitment.  It aint an easy job.  I for one would not want to see an inexperienced Ham deciding coordination, someone who has not been involved with it for a while.  Each repeater owner has their own needs and the FRC work has to do much more than assign pairs.

Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate.  Do we want this in FRC???

73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra

Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com

------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Mickey Baker <n4mb@arrl.net> *Sent:* Monday, October 3, 2016 11:35 AM *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information

A couple of words of advice from an experienced IT engineer - who has had an IT management position in Florida in the public sector as well as worked at DoD: 1. Anyone who doesn't want unpredictable emails on their corporate or government email server shouldn't subscribe to open lists. Get a free email account, like this one from Google and point all the groups to that email. 2. Anyone hoping that what they write in an email could remain private should learn to use email encryption. I won't go into details, but... 3. Anyone sending a plain language email should anticipate that email being read by anyone anywhere.

That said, I've found the entire FRC to be a slow moving, difficult to deal with organization with antique web sites. Some of the directors are a bit gruff and condescending, but I find that a common trait among long term hams, particular trying to relate to the current crop of no-code licensees. I include myself, as I quickly lose patience with folks who don't know the basic things covered in the license material.

I submitted a coordination request the day I got a message in May that the W4AB 2m repeater coordination had expired - May 7, 2016. It was approved over this weekend - almost 5 months to approve a registration for a repeater that has been in operation on that frequency at that site for 28 years.

W4AB is currently not in the directory they publish, but now that the "official" ARRL repeater directory is now RFinder, I can (and do) deal directly with them for directory issues.

My local director (Mark) has been very responsive, but he doesn't have direct access to add to or edit the database!

It is my understanding that coordinations are handled by Dana and he's the only one with database access. Something might be going on in his personal life that causes this delay, but it is the duty of people with responsibility to engage with others to ensure succession of the organization and the mission. This appears to be the point of failure in many organizations but is key to the survival of that organization.

All that said, here's the problem - if everyone on the board resigns or gets otherwise terminated, someone needs to have the time, talent and inclination to immediately recover data from wherever it is and create a new database and start up a complete new system, while doing all the things the current FRC are doing now... this will require cooperation with the current directors, particularly Dana.

Are we all ready for that?

If so, let's go get this handed over. Exactly where and when is the meeting next weekend?

Mickey N4MB

Mickey Baker, N4MB Fort Lauderdale, FL /“Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” /Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Dave Messinger H. <dmessing@pbcgov.org <mailto:dmessing@pbcgov.org>> wrote:

    Gentlemen (and Ladies, if any) ,____

    I don’t know where you got this e-mail from. I truly doubt you got     it legitimatelyfrom the FRC. ____

    __ __

    Regardless, ____

    I have not asked to be included in this group or any discussions, ____

    You are e-mailing my work/Government e-mail account (so everything     is open the Florida Sunshine Law),____

    And finally, I have never had any troubles with the Florida Repeater     Council. They have always acted quickly and fairly with any     questions or registration I have had.____

    __ __

    Mr. Fields,____

    I would ask that, in the future, you consider your actions a bit     more before blindly e-mailing a large group of people with your     grievances. ____

    __ __

    -----=====-----=====-----____

    *Dave H. Messinger____*

    *Communications Specialist____*

    *Palm Beach County Network Support Services____*

    *FCC Licenses: N4QPM, WQCA678____*

    cid:image002.png@01CAB493.44E57100____

    __ __

    /Please Note:  Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most     written communications to or from County employees regarding County     business are public records, available to the public and media upon     request.  Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including     your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.____/

    __ __

    ---____

    __ __

    *From:*FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org     <mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org>] *On Behalf Of     *kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com <mailto:kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com>     *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM     *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion     <frc-info@lists.keekles.org <mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org>>     *Subject:* Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information____

    __ __

    Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination     completed.____

    ____

    Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It     seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as     trying to find existing ones.____

    ____

    In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary     coordination and based on your location and desired output power,     they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with     existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you     time to setup and test before providing full coordination.____

    ____

    Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially     cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would     possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when     someone else receives coordination for that pair.____

    ____

    Best regards,____

    Shawn Campbell____

    KG4UGK____

    ____

    -----Original Message-----     From: vern@highwayusa.com <mailto:vern@highwayusa.com>     Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am     To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion"     <frc-info@lists.keekles.org <mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org>>     Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information____

    I must say that I have tried several times to contact the     council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my     old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were     defunct until I saw this email come through.

    Vern     KI4ONW

    >     > P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you     >wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove     >yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to     >oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have     >any questions.     >     >     >     > _______________________________________________     >FRC-Info mailing list     > <mailto:FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org <mailto:FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org>>     >FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org <mailto:FRC-Info@lists.keekles.org>     > <http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info     <http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info>>     >http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info     <http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info>     >

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????????????????????????? From: Steve Zingman <szingman@msgstor.com> To: frc-info@lists.keekles.org Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information How are they not allowing all to communicate? 73, Steve N4IRS On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote:

I agree with Mickey, doing the work of the FRC requires commitment.  It aint an easy job.  I for one would not want to see an inexperienced Ham deciding coordination, someone who has not been involved with it for a while.  Each repeater owner has their own needs and the FRC work has to do much more than assign pairs.

Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate.  Do we want this in FRC???

73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra

Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com

------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Mickey Baker <n4mb@arrl.net> *Sent:* Monday, October 3, 2016 11:35 AM *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion *Subject:* Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information

A couple of words of advice from an experienced IT engineer - who has had an IT management position in Florida in the public sector as well as worked at DoD: 1. Anyone who doesn't want unpredictable emails on their corporate or government email server shouldn't subscribe to open lists. Get a free email account, like this one from Google and point all the groups to that email. 2. Anyone hoping that what they write in an email could remain private should learn to use email encryption. I won't go into details, but... 3. Anyone sending a plain language email should anticipate that email being read by anyone anywhere.

That said, I've found the entire FRC to be a slow moving, difficult to deal with organization with antique web sites. Some of the directors are a bit gruff and condescending, but I find that a common trait among long term hams, particular trying to relate to the current crop of no-code licensees. I include myself, as I quickly lose patience with folks who don't know the basic things covered in the license material.

I submitted a coordination request the day I got a message in May that the W4AB 2m repeater coordination had expired - May 7, 2016. It was approved over this weekend - almost 5 months to approve a registration for a repeater that has been in operation on that frequency at that site for 28 years.

W4AB is currently not in the directory they publish, but now that the "official" ARRL repeater directory is now RFinder, I can (and do) deal directly with them for directory issues.

My local director (Mark) has been very responsive, but he doesn't have direct access to add to or edit the database!

It is my understanding that coordinations are handled by Dana and he's the only one with database access. Something might be going on in his personal life that causes this delay, but it is the duty of people with responsibility to engage with others to ensure succession of the organization and the mission. This appears to be the point of failure in many organizations but is key to the survival of that organization.

All that said, here's the problem - if everyone on the board resigns or gets otherwise terminated, someone needs to have the time, talent and inclination to immediately recover data from wherever it is and create a new database and start up a complete new system, while doing all the things the current FRC are doing now... this will require cooperation with the current directors, particularly Dana.

Are we all ready for that?

If so, let's go get this handed over. Exactly where and when is the meeting next weekend?

Mickey N4MB

Mickey Baker, N4MB Fort Lauderdale, FL /“Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” /Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying.

On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Dave Messinger H. <dmessing@pbcgov.org <mailto:dmessing@pbcgov.org>> wrote:

    Gentlemen (and Ladies, if any) ,____

    I don’t know where you got this e-mail from. I truly doubt you got     it legitimatelyfrom the FRC. ____

    __ __

    Regardless, ____

    I have not asked to be included in this group or any discussions, ____

    You are e-mailing my work/Government e-mail account (so everything     is open the Florida Sunshine Law),____

    And finally, I have never had any troubles with the Florida Repeater     Council. They have always acted quickly and fairly with any     questions or registration I have had.____

    __ __

    Mr. Fields,____

    I would ask that, in the future, you consider your actions a bit     more before blindly e-mailing a large group of people with your     grievances. ____

    __ __

    -----=====-----=====-----____

    *Dave H. Messinger____*

    *Communications Specialist____*

    *Palm Beach County Network Support Services____*

    *FCC Licenses: N4QPM, WQCA678____*

    cid:image002.png@01CAB493.44E57100____

    __ __

    /Please Note:  Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most     written communications to or from County employees regarding County     business are public records, available to the public and media upon     request.  Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including     your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure.____/

    __ __

    ---____

    __ __

    *From:*FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org     <mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org>] *On Behalf Of     *kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com <mailto:kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com>     *Sent:* Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM     *To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion     <frc-info@lists.keekles.org <mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org>>     *Subject:* Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information____

    __ __

    Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination     completed.____

      ____

    Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It     seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as     trying to find existing ones.____

      ____

    In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary     coordination and based on your location and desired output power,     they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with     existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you     time to setup and test before providing full coordination.____

      ____

    Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially     cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would     possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when     someone else receives coordination for that pair.____

      ____

    Best regards,____

    Shawn Campbell____

    KG4UGK____

      ____

    -----Original Message-----     From: vern@highwayusa.com <mailto:vern@highwayusa.com>     Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am     To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion"     <frc-info@lists.keekles.org <mailto:frc-info@lists.keekles.org>>     Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information____

    I must say that I have tried several times to contact the     council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my     old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were     defunct until I saw this email come through.

    Vern     KI4ONW

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John, Yes, I think you are correct. Just seems I was not getting replies from others. have been getting today. It is good to have these discussions and the FRC does need guidance from us into repeaters. Just seems one guy has a beef and wants to take over and he has little to do with repeaters really. More of a club board member. And being into the internet service or an IT guy is very little tech knowledge of this subject. Engineering firms do not consider IT guys technical people. But they have a valuable place. I think the FRC does a good job, but they are often slow. Our District 4 director has responded to me quickly in last year when i need assistance in getting a pair for a repeater. not sure what other directors do. Dana is very slow, I think he picks one Saturday in the month and works on what he has received, hi. But he is very knowledgeable about the issues...has lots of experience over the last 20 years dealing with the issues. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com ________________________________ From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Jon Pearl - W4ABC <jonpearl@tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:40 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information Good morning Ron, Is it possible that you're capturing all of the email messages from the FRC list server? It appears that you've somehow arrived at the decision that all are not allowed to communicate in this venue. Here are the archives: http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/frc-info/ I posted a message to the group yesterday, and while it appeared to all on the list almost immediately, I personally didn't see it arrive in my own mailbox for quite some time. I see this happen quite frequently on the Tower-Talk list server. 73, Jon Pearl - W4ABC On 10/3/2016 11:47 AM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com<mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: Bryan, It appears this discussion is between you and us, not between us and us. A real discussion would be between all of us. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra And once more... On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com<mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: (snip) Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate. Do we want this in FRC??? 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com<mailto:mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com> ________________________________ [Avast logo] <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>

Hi Ron and John, I have dealt with Dana on three repeaters, mine and two that the county turned over to me as ARES EC for the county and as a volunteer himself he has done a good job. And I agree with both of you. Have a good week and keep your feet dry. Vern, W4NEK From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 12:43 PM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information John, Yes, I think you are correct. Just seems I was not getting replies from others. have been getting today. It is good to have these discussions and the FRC does need guidance from us into repeaters. Just seems one guy has a beef and wants to take over and he has little to do with repeaters really. More of a club board member. And being into the internet service or an IT guy is very little tech knowledge of this subject. Engineering firms do not consider IT guys technical people. But they have a valuable place. I think the FRC does a good job, but they are often slow. Our District 4 director has responded to me quickly in last year when i need assistance in getting a pair for a repeater. not sure what other directors do. Dana is very slow, I think he picks one Saturday in the month and works on what he has received, hi. But he is very knowledgeable about the issues...has lots of experience over the last 20 years dealing with the issues. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com _____ From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Jon Pearl - W4ABC <jonpearl@tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016 11:40 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information Good morning Ron, Is it possible that you're capturing all of the email messages from the FRC list server? It appears that you've somehow arrived at the decision that all are not allowed to communicate in this venue. Here are the archives: http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/frc-info/ I posted a message to the group yesterday, and while it appeared to all on the list almost immediately, I personally didn't see it arrive in my own mailbox for quite some time. I see this happen quite frequently on the Tower-Talk list server. 73, Jon Pearl - W4ABC On 10/3/2016 11:47 AM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote: Bryan, It appears this discussion is between you and us, not between us and us. A real discussion would be between all of us. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra And once more... On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote: (snip) Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate. Do we want this in FRC??? 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com _____ <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient> Image removed by sender. Avast logo This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai gn=sig-email&utm_content=emailclient>

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wrote:

Good morning Ron,

Is it possible that you're capturing all of the email messages from the FRC list server? It appears that you've somehow arrived at the decision that all are not allowed to communicate in this venue. Here are the archives: http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/frc-info/

I posted a message to the group yesterday, and while it appeared to all on the list almost immediately, I personally didn't see it arrive in my own mailbox for quite some time. I see this happen quite frequently on the Tower-Talk list server.

73,

Jon Pearl - W4ABC

On 10/3/2016 11:47 AM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote:

Bryan,

It appears this discussion is between you and us, not between us and us. A real discussion would be between all of us.

73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra

And once more...

On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM, mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com wrote:

(snip)

Just like this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to communicate. Do we want this in FRC???

73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra

Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEE Micro Computer Concepts 352-683-4476 mccrpt@tampabay.rr.com

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????????????? From: Mickey Baker <n4mb@arrl.net> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information One more comment on this topic and then I'll quiesce... Asking for "unused pairs" for almost any geo reflects a lack of understanding of frequency coordination. Quite likely, all wide band pairs are allocated somewhere in the state. In order to assign a frequency pair, the likelyhood of interference must be evaluated.  That's why the application process asked for things like precise geographic locations, HAAT of the antenna, ERP, mode, etc. A "vacant pair" that might work without interference is located... Abandoned frequencies are sometimes found. There are a lot of "paper repeaters" around with not working hardware, yet the owners renew. And then there's the worse case scenario - owners of unused repeaters keep renewing. There seem to be a lot of privately owned repeaters in South Florida that are simply Ego Repeaters - no one every uses them, sometimes they're down for long periods but they get renewed. For examples, simply look at the callsigns for non-club repeaters and you'll see the same ones over and over. Listen to the repeaters and there is zero to little traffic.  Want to help your coordinators? Report non-working frequencies, first to the licensee then to the FRC! Mickey Mickey Baker, N4MB Fort Lauderdale, FL “Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying. On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Mickey Baker <n4mb@arrl.net> wrote: A couple of words of advice from an experienced IT engineer - who has had an IT management position in Florida in the public sector as well as worked at DoD:1. Anyone who doesn't want unpredictable emails on their corporate or government email server shouldn't subscribe to open lists. Get a free email account, like this one from Google and point all the groups to that email.2. Anyone hoping that what they write in an email could remain private should learn to use email encryption. I won't go into details, but... 3. Anyone sending a plain language email should anticipate that email being read by anyone anywhere. That said, I've found the entire FRC to be a slow moving, difficult to deal with organization with antique web sites. Some of the directors are a bit gruff and condescending, but I find that a common trait among long term hams, particular trying to relate to the current crop of no-code licensees. I include myself, as I quickly lose patience with folks who don't know the basic things covered in the license material.  I submitted a coordination request the day I got a message in May that the W4AB 2m repeater coordination had expired - May 7, 2016. It was approved over this weekend - almost 5 months to approve a registration for a repeater that has been in operation on that frequency at that site for 28 years. W4AB is currently not in the directory they publish, but now that the "official" ARRL repeater directory is now RFinder, I can (and do) deal directly with them for directory issues. My local director (Mark) has been very responsive, but he doesn't have direct access to add to or edit the database! It is my understanding that coordinations are handled by Dana and he's the only one with database access. Something might be going on in his personal life that causes this delay, but it is the duty of people with responsibility to engage with others to ensure succession of the organization and the mission. This appears to be the point of failure in many organizations but is key to the survival of that organization. All that said, here's the problem - if everyone on the board resigns or gets otherwise terminated, someone needs to have the time, talent and inclination to immediately recover data from wherever it is and create a new database and start up a complete new system, while doing all the things the current FRC are doing now... this will require cooperation with the current directors, particularly Dana. Are we all ready for that?  If so, let's go get this handed over. Exactly where and when is the meeting next weekend?  Mickey N4MB Mickey Baker, N4MB Fort Lauderdale, FL “Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying. On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Dave Messinger H. <dmessing@pbcgov.org> wrote: Gentlemen (and Ladies, if any) ,I don’t know where you got this e-mail from. I truly doubt you got itlegitimately from the FRC. Regardless,I have not asked to be included in this group or any discussions,You are e-mailing my work/Government e-mail account (so everything is open the Florida Sunshine Law),And finally, I have never had any troubles with the Florida Repeater Council. They have always acted quickly and fairly with any questions or registration I have had. Mr. Fields,I would ask that, in the future, you consider your actions a bit more before blindly e-mailing a large group of people with your grievances. -----=====-----=====-----Dave H. MessingerCommunications SpecialistPalm Beach County Network Support ServicesFCC Licenses: N4QPM, WQCA678 Please Note:  Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regarding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request.  Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure. --- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists .keekles.org]On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed. Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones. In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination. Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair. Best regards,Shawn CampbellKG4UGK -----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through. Vern KI4ONW

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?????????????????????????????????? From: Mickey Baker <n4mb@arrl.net> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information A couple of words of advice from an experienced IT engineer - who has had an IT management position in Florida in the public sector as well as worked at DoD:1. Anyone who doesn't want unpredictable emails on their corporate or government email server shouldn't subscribe to open lists. Get a free email account, like this one from Google and point all the groups to that email.2. Anyone hoping that what they write in an email could remain private should learn to use email encryption. I won't go into details, but... 3. Anyone sending a plain language email should anticipate that email being read by anyone anywhere. That said, I've found the entire FRC to be a slow moving, difficult to deal with organization with antique web sites. Some of the directors are a bit gruff and condescending, but I find that a common trait among long term hams, particular trying to relate to the current crop of no-code licensees. I include myself, as I quickly lose patience with folks who don't know the basic things covered in the license material.  I submitted a coordination request the day I got a message in May that the W4AB 2m repeater coordination had expired - May 7, 2016. It was approved over this weekend - almost 5 months to approve a registration for a repeater that has been in operation on that frequency at that site for 28 years. W4AB is currently not in the directory they publish, but now that the "official" ARRL repeater directory is now RFinder, I can (and do) deal directly with them for directory issues. My local director (Mark) has been very responsive, but he doesn't have direct access to add to or edit the database! It is my understanding that coordinations are handled by Dana and he's the only one with database access. Something might be going on in his personal life that causes this delay, but it is the duty of people with responsibility to engage with others to ensure succession of the organization and the mission. This appears to be the point of failure in many organizations but is key to the survival of that organization. All that said, here's the problem - if everyone on the board resigns or gets otherwise terminated, someone needs to have the time, talent and inclination to immediately recover data from wherever it is and create a new database and start up a complete new system, while doing all the things the current FRC are doing now... this will require cooperation with the current directors, particularly Dana. Are we all ready for that?  If so, let's go get this handed over. Exactly where and when is the meeting next weekend?  Mickey N4MB Mickey Baker, N4MB Fort Lauderdale, FL “Tell me, and I will listen. Show me, and I will understand. Involve me, and I will learn.” Teton Lakota, American Indian Saying. On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Dave Messinger H. <dmessing@pbcgov.org> wrote: Gentlemen (and Ladies, if any) ,I don’t know where you got this e-mail from. I truly doubt you got itlegitimately from the FRC. Regardless,I have not asked to be included in this group or any discussions,You are e-mailing my work/Government e-mail account (so everything is open the Florida Sunshine Law),And finally, I have never had any troubles with the Florida Repeater Council. They have always acted quickly and fairly with any questions or registration I have had. Mr. Fields,I would ask that, in the future, you consider your actions a bit more before blindly e-mailing a large group of people with your grievances. -----=====-----=====-----Dave H. MessingerCommunications SpecialistPalm Beach County Network Support ServicesFCC Licenses: N4QPM, WQCA678 Please Note:  Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regarding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request.  Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure. --- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@ lists.keekles.org]On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed. Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones. In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination. Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair. Best regards,Shawn CampbellKG4UGK -----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through. Vern KI4ONW

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OK guys and gals, I've received 82 e-mails about this crap. Yes, the FRC has not been so wonderful but beyond that, you do not have permission to blow up my e-mail. Delete me from this thread. . . 73 John Reynolds, W4IJJ Communications Officer American Red Cross N FL Region -----Original Message----- From: MICHAEL WELLS <wells8868@bellsouth.net> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Mon, Oct 3, 2016 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information ?????????????????????? From: Dave Messinger H. <dmessing@pbcgov.org> To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 10:03 AM Subject: [FRC] FYI... 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I truly doubt you got it legitimately from the FRC. Regardless, I have not asked to be included in this group or any discussions, You are e-mailing my work/Government e-mail account (so everything is open the Florida Sunshine Law), And finally, I have never had any troubles with the Florida Repeater Council. They have always acted quickly and fairly with any questions or registration I have had. Mr. Fields, I would ask that, in the future, you consider your actions a bit more before blindly e-mailing a large group of people with your grievances. -----=====-----=====----- Dave H. Messinger Communications Specialist Palm Beach County Network Support Services FCC Licenses: N4QPM, WQCA678 Please Note: Due to Florida’s very broad records laws, most written communications to or from County employees regarding County business are public records, available to the public and media upon request. Therefore, this written e-mail communication, including your e-mail address, may be subject to public disclosure. --- From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk@kg4ugk.com Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed. Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones. In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination. Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair. Best regards, Shawn Campbell KG4UGK -----Original Message----- From: vern@highwayusa.com Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion" <frc-info@lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information I must say that I have tried several times to contact the council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were defunct until I saw this email come through. Vern KI4ONW

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