So I've been looking at DMR networks. I am across EWARN which appears tied into DCI. They have all kinds of links going on all of the different formats. Even a allstar node. Anyone know anything about this and how they're doing it? N1XBM Apparare Scientor Paratus Communicare Allstar Node # 27086, 41540, 41812, 42086
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So I've been looking at DMR networks. I am across EWARN which appears tied into DCI. They have all kinds of links going on all of the different formats. Even a allstar node.
Anyone know anything about this and how they're doing it?
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Had a little time this weekend. The DV4Mini works, but the software sucks! Mike N4IRR is addressing this. I had no experience with the Hytera reflector system since my DMR repeaters are all Motorola. The DV4Mini talks to the Hytera reflector. As it turns out there is some closed source (yuck) software from Germany that will allow a Motorola IPSC network on slot 2 to connect to Hytera reflector. It works and runs under Linux. I have our 2 Motorola repeaters connecting on TG 9 to the Hytera reflector. As of now, we have DMR-MARC, DCI and Hytera available. The software is at <http://download.prgm.org/dl5di-soft/dmrplusmb/> 73, Steve N4IRS -- "Anything is possible if you don't know what you are talking about." 1st Law of Logic
On 11/1/15 8:35 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
As it turns out there is some closed source (yuck)
Wtf is the common thing in ham radio to have closed source stuff? There is no money to be made here, and everyone wants to be all secret squirrel about their stuff while benefiting from the work of other. It makes me want to fire up IDA, pick it apart and publish it. I've been going through this with the Quantar Site Connect guy right now. Admittedly I'm a hardware guy (my code is awful), but I still document and release what I do under the GPL. Closed source is the antithesis of ham radio. -- Bryan Fields 727-409-1194 - Voice 727-214-2508 - Fax http://bryanfields.net
If you want a system that has full access to the functionality of Motorola's IPSC and the Hytera equivalent, the only way to go that will allow software to be made in a reasonable timeframe is to sign the NDA to get access to the real thing, which is what the guys in Germany have done. I actually know one of the guys, as he has worked with Jonathan G4KLX in the past on open source stuff. Matthew Pitts N8OHU On November 1, 2015 9:03:57 PM EST, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 11/1/15 8:35 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
As it turns out there is some closed source (yuck)
Wtf is the common thing in ham radio to have closed source stuff? There is no money to be made here, and everyone wants to be all secret squirrel about their stuff while benefiting from the work of other. It makes me want to fire up IDA, pick it apart and publish it.
I've been going through this with the Quantar Site Connect guy right now.
Admittedly I'm a hardware guy (my code is awful), but I still document and release what I do under the GPL.
Closed source is the antithesis of ham radio.
-- Bryan Fields
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I agree the NDA is a way to go. More fun sniffing. But at least it's working for now. We have pretty good access to IPSC. Now to add the Hytera and a few more pieces. Steve On 11/1/2015 9:30 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
If you want a system that has full access to the functionality of Motorola's IPSC and the Hytera equivalent, the only way to go that will allow software to be made in a reasonable timeframe is to sign the NDA to get access to the real thing, which is what the guys in Germany have done. I actually know one of the guys, as he has worked with Jonathan G4KLX in the past on open source stuff.
Matthew Pitts N8OHU
On November 1, 2015 9:03:57 PM EST, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 11/1/15 8:35 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
As it turns out there is some closed source (yuck) Wtf is the common thing in ham radio to have closed source stuff? There is no money to be made here, and everyone wants to be all secret squirrel about their stuff while benefiting from the work of other. It makes me want to fire up IDA, pick it apart and publish it.
I've been going through this with the Quantar Site Connect guy right now.
Admittedly I'm a hardware guy (my code is awful), but I still document and release what I do under the GPL.
Closed source is the antithesis of ham radio.
-- Bryan Fields
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Just for a recap, what is the status on the following digital modes USABLE NOW in Allstar? P25 phase 1 P25 phase 2 Dstar DMR Fusion I have all of these modes except for Dstar. I have a PiDV (DV3000) and a DV4mini on the way. I have a UHF MTR3000 MOTOTRBO Repeater and 2 Yaesu Fusion Repeaters. I want to be able to interface these digitally to Allstar. Demoded audio into a URI is not what I want to do. Any thoughts? Ron, N6GKJ On Nov 2, 2015 7:10 AM, "Steve N4IRS" <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote:
I agree the NDA is a way to go. More fun sniffing. But at least it's working for now. We have pretty good access to IPSC. Now to add the Hytera and a few more pieces.
Steve
On 11/1/2015 9:30 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
If you want a system that has full access to the functionality of Motorola's IPSC and the Hytera equivalent, the only way to go that will allow software to be made in a reasonable timeframe is to sign the NDA to get access to the real thing, which is what the guys in Germany have done. I actually know one of the guys, as he has worked with Jonathan G4KLX in the past on open source stuff.
Matthew Pitts N8OHU
On November 1, 2015 9:03:57 PM EST, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 11/1/15 8:35 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
As it turns out there is some closed source (yuck)
Wtf is the common thing in ham radio to have closed source stuff? There is no money to be made here, and everyone wants to be all secret squirrel about their stuff while benefiting from the work of other. It makes me want to fire up IDA, pick it apart and publish it.
I've been going through this with the Quantar Site Connect guy right now.
Admittedly I'm a hardware guy (my code is awful), but I still document and release what I do under the GPL.
Closed source is the antithesis of ham radio.
-- Bryan Fields
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Ron, Are you asking for digital routing? Example DMR to Fusion? Or Digital to Analog and Analog to Digital? Example DMR to remote analog node, and back? Steve On 11/5/2015 3:14 PM, ronald simpson wrote:
Just for a recap, what is the status on the following digital modes USABLE NOW in Allstar?
P25 phase 1 P25 phase 2 Dstar DMR Fusion
I have all of these modes except for Dstar.
I have a PiDV (DV3000) and a DV4mini on the way.
I have a UHF MTR3000 MOTOTRBO Repeater and 2 Yaesu Fusion Repeaters.
I want to be able to interface these digitally to Allstar.
Demoded audio into a URI is not what I want to do.
Any thoughts?
Ron, N6GKJ
On Nov 2, 2015 7:10 AM, "Steve N4IRS" <szingman@msgstor.com <mailto:szingman@msgstor.com>> wrote:
I agree the NDA is a way to go. More fun sniffing. But at least it's working for now. We have pretty good access to IPSC. Now to add the Hytera and a few more pieces.
Steve
On 11/1/2015 9:30 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
If you want a system that has full access to the functionality of Motorola's IPSC and the Hytera equivalent, the only way to go that will allow software to be made in a reasonable timeframe is to sign the NDA to get access to the real thing, which is what the guys in Germany have done. I actually know one of the guys, as he has worked with Jonathan G4KLX in the past on open source stuff.
Matthew Pitts N8OHU
On November 1, 2015 9:03:57 PM EST, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net <mailto:Bryan@bryanfields.net>> wrote:
On 11/1/15 8:35 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
As it turns out there is some closed source (yuck)
Wtf is the common thing in ham radio to have closed source stuff? There is no money to be made here, and everyone wants to be all secret squirrel about their stuff while benefiting from the work of other. It makes me want to fire up IDA, pick it apart and publish it.
I've been going through this with the Quantar Site Connect guy right now.
Admittedly I'm a hardware guy (my code is awful), but I still document and release what I do under the GPL.
Closed source is the antithesis of ham radio.
-- Bryan Fields
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Route to like protocols to start with. Maybe build a super smart switch that cross connects dissimilar modes at a later date. But the Yaesu protocol for linking uses Wires II. I don't want to use Wires at all. Guess I want to much!! lol!! Ron On Nov 5, 2015 12:22 PM, "Steve Zingman" <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote:
Ron, Are you asking for digital routing? Example DMR to Fusion? Or Digital to Analog and Analog to Digital? Example DMR to remote analog node, and back?
Steve
On 11/5/2015 3:14 PM, ronald simpson wrote:
Just for a recap, what is the status on the following digital modes USABLE NOW in Allstar?
P25 phase 1 P25 phase 2 Dstar DMR Fusion
I have all of these modes except for Dstar.
I have a PiDV (DV3000) and a DV4mini on the way.
I have a UHF MTR3000 MOTOTRBO Repeater and 2 Yaesu Fusion Repeaters.
I want to be able to interface these digitally to Allstar.
Demoded audio into a URI is not what I want to do.
Any thoughts?
Ron, N6GKJ On Nov 2, 2015 7:10 AM, "Steve N4IRS" <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote:
I agree the NDA is a way to go. More fun sniffing. But at least it's working for now. We have pretty good access to IPSC. Now to add the Hytera and a few more pieces.
Steve
On 11/1/2015 9:30 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
If you want a system that has full access to the functionality of Motorola's IPSC and the Hytera equivalent, the only way to go that will allow software to be made in a reasonable timeframe is to sign the NDA to get access to the real thing, which is what the guys in Germany have done. I actually know one of the guys, as he has worked with Jonathan G4KLX in the past on open source stuff.
Matthew Pitts N8OHU
On November 1, 2015 9:03:57 PM EST, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 11/1/15 8:35 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
As it turns out there is some closed source (yuck)
Wtf is the common thing in ham radio to have closed source stuff? There is no money to be made here, and everyone wants to be all secret squirrel about their stuff while benefiting from the work of other. It makes me want to fire up IDA, pick it apart and publish it.
I've been going through this with the Quantar Site Connect guy right now.
Admittedly I'm a hardware guy (my code is awful), but I still document and release what I do under the GPL.
Closed source is the antithesis of ham radio.
-- Bryan Fields
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Ron, Join the MMDVM group on Yahoo. This is exactly the problem they are working on right now. Mike On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 2:30 PM, ronald simpson <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
Route to like protocols to start with. Maybe build a super smart switch that cross connects dissimilar modes at a later date.
But the Yaesu protocol for linking uses Wires II. I don't want to use Wires at all.
Guess I want to much!! lol!!
Ron On Nov 5, 2015 12:22 PM, "Steve Zingman" <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote:
Ron, Are you asking for digital routing? Example DMR to Fusion? Or Digital to Analog and Analog to Digital? Example DMR to remote analog node, and back?
Steve
On 11/5/2015 3:14 PM, ronald simpson wrote:
Just for a recap, what is the status on the following digital modes USABLE NOW in Allstar?
P25 phase 1 P25 phase 2 Dstar DMR Fusion
I have all of these modes except for Dstar.
I have a PiDV (DV3000) and a DV4mini on the way.
I have a UHF MTR3000 MOTOTRBO Repeater and 2 Yaesu Fusion Repeaters.
I want to be able to interface these digitally to Allstar.
Demoded audio into a URI is not what I want to do.
Any thoughts?
Ron, N6GKJ On Nov 2, 2015 7:10 AM, "Steve N4IRS" <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote:
I agree the NDA is a way to go. More fun sniffing. But at least it's working for now. We have pretty good access to IPSC. Now to add the Hytera and a few more pieces.
Steve
On 11/1/2015 9:30 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
If you want a system that has full access to the functionality of Motorola's IPSC and the Hytera equivalent, the only way to go that will allow software to be made in a reasonable timeframe is to sign the NDA to get access to the real thing, which is what the guys in Germany have done. I actually know one of the guys, as he has worked with Jonathan G4KLX in the past on open source stuff.
Matthew Pitts N8OHU
On November 1, 2015 9:03:57 PM EST, Bryan Fields < <Bryan@bryanfields.net>Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 11/1/15 8:35 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
As it turns out there is some closed source (yuck)
Wtf is the common thing in ham radio to have closed source stuff? There is no money to be made here, and everyone wants to be all secret squirrel about their stuff while benefiting from the work of other. It makes me want to fire up IDA, pick it apart and publish it.
I've been going through this with the Quantar Site Connect guy right now.
Admittedly I'm a hardware guy (my code is awful), but I still document and release what I do under the GPL.
Closed source is the antithesis of ham radio.
-- Bryan Fields
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Thanks Mike! I will On Nov 5, 2015 12:32 PM, "Mike Zingman" <mike.zingman@gmail.com> wrote:
Ron,
Join the MMDVM group on Yahoo. This is exactly the problem they are working on right now.
Mike
On Thu, Nov 5, 2015 at 2:30 PM, ronald simpson <n6gkj1@gmail.com> wrote:
Route to like protocols to start with. Maybe build a super smart switch that cross connects dissimilar modes at a later date.
But the Yaesu protocol for linking uses Wires II. I don't want to use Wires at all.
Guess I want to much!! lol!!
Ron On Nov 5, 2015 12:22 PM, "Steve Zingman" <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote:
Ron, Are you asking for digital routing? Example DMR to Fusion? Or Digital to Analog and Analog to Digital? Example DMR to remote analog node, and back?
Steve
On 11/5/2015 3:14 PM, ronald simpson wrote:
Just for a recap, what is the status on the following digital modes USABLE NOW in Allstar?
P25 phase 1 P25 phase 2 Dstar DMR Fusion
I have all of these modes except for Dstar.
I have a PiDV (DV3000) and a DV4mini on the way.
I have a UHF MTR3000 MOTOTRBO Repeater and 2 Yaesu Fusion Repeaters.
I want to be able to interface these digitally to Allstar.
Demoded audio into a URI is not what I want to do.
Any thoughts?
Ron, N6GKJ On Nov 2, 2015 7:10 AM, "Steve N4IRS" <szingman@msgstor.com> wrote:
I agree the NDA is a way to go. More fun sniffing. But at least it's working for now. We have pretty good access to IPSC. Now to add the Hytera and a few more pieces.
Steve
On 11/1/2015 9:30 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
If you want a system that has full access to the functionality of Motorola's IPSC and the Hytera equivalent, the only way to go that will allow software to be made in a reasonable timeframe is to sign the NDA to get access to the real thing, which is what the guys in Germany have done. I actually know one of the guys, as he has worked with Jonathan G4KLX in the past on open source stuff.
Matthew Pitts N8OHU
On November 1, 2015 9:03:57 PM EST, Bryan Fields < <Bryan@bryanfields.net>Bryan@bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 11/1/15 8:35 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
> As it turns out there is some closed source (yuck) > Wtf is the common thing in ham radio to have closed source stuff? There is no money to be made here, and everyone wants to be all secret squirrel about their stuff while benefiting from the work of other. It makes me want to fire up IDA, pick it apart and publish it.
I've been going through this with the Quantar Site Connect guy right now.
Admittedly I'm a hardware guy (my code is awful), but I still document and release what I do under the GPL.
Closed source is the antithesis of ham radio.
-- Bryan Fields
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The idea is a place to discuss what people want and what might be possible. Rout like protocols, DMR at site A <---AllStar---> DMR at Site B? You can never be: too rich too fit have too many protocols? On 11/5/2015 3:30 PM, ronald simpson wrote:
Route to like protocols to start with. Maybe build a super smart switch that cross connects dissimilar modes at a later date.
But the Yaesu protocol for linking uses Wires II. I don't want to use Wires at all.
Guess I want to much!! lol!!
Ron
On Nov 5, 2015 12:22 PM, "Steve Zingman" <szingman@msgstor.com <mailto:szingman@msgstor.com>> wrote:
Ron, Are you asking for digital routing? Example DMR to Fusion? Or Digital to Analog and Analog to Digital? Example DMR to remote analog node, and back?
Steve
On 11/5/2015 3:14 PM, ronald simpson wrote:
Just for a recap, what is the status on the following digital modes USABLE NOW in Allstar?
P25 phase 1 P25 phase 2 Dstar DMR Fusion
I have all of these modes except for Dstar.
I have a PiDV (DV3000) and a DV4mini on the way.
I have a UHF MTR3000 MOTOTRBO Repeater and 2 Yaesu Fusion Repeaters.
I want to be able to interface these digitally to Allstar.
Demoded audio into a URI is not what I want to do.
Any thoughts?
Ron, N6GKJ
On Nov 2, 2015 7:10 AM, "Steve N4IRS" <szingman@msgstor.com <mailto:szingman@msgstor.com>> wrote:
I agree the NDA is a way to go. More fun sniffing. But at least it's working for now. We have pretty good access to IPSC. Now to add the Hytera and a few more pieces.
Steve
On 11/1/2015 9:30 PM, Matthew Pitts wrote:
If you want a system that has full access to the functionality of Motorola's IPSC and the Hytera equivalent, the only way to go that will allow software to be made in a reasonable timeframe is to sign the NDA to get access to the real thing, which is what the guys in Germany have done. I actually know one of the guys, as he has worked with Jonathan G4KLX in the past on open source stuff.
Matthew Pitts N8OHU
On November 1, 2015 9:03:57 PM EST, Bryan Fields <Bryan@bryanfields.net <mailto:Bryan@bryanfields.net>> wrote:
On 11/1/15 8:35 PM, Steve Zingman wrote:
As it turns out there is some closed source (yuck)
Wtf is the common thing in ham radio to have closed source stuff? There is no money to be made here, and everyone wants to be all secret squirrel about their stuff while benefiting from the work of other. It makes me want to fire up IDA, pick it apart and publish it.
I've been going through this with the Quantar Site Connect guy right now.
Admittedly I'm a hardware guy (my code is awful), but I still document and release what I do under the GPL.
Closed source is the antithesis of ham radio.
-- Bryan Fields
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Just curious, why wouldn't you want to use wires? It would seem to be a excellent way to get analog audio onto the allstar network. I've never used wires, it's just my understanding. N1XBM Apparare Scientor Paratus Communicare Allstar Node # 27086, 41540, 41812, 42086
Mainly because it is proprietary to Yaesu. A closed system. Plus what happens when Yaesu pulls the plug on the WIRES II network ?? I want to link all my shtuff through Allstar On Nov 5, 2015 12:44 PM, "Robert Newberry" <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote:
Just curious, why wouldn't you want to use wires? It would seem to be a excellent way to get analog audio onto the allstar network.
I've never used wires, it's just my understanding.
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What happens when someone pulls the plug on allstar? What happens when someone pulls the plug on fusion? Nothing is forever. I highly doubt any plugs are getting pulled yaesu is putting a lot "skin in the game" to see fusion a success. Hell c-bridge operators pull the plug on the DMR-MARC network when they get fed up. N1XBM Apparare Scientor Paratus Communicare Allstar Node # 27086, 41540, 41812, 42086
This is true Robert, however I still like the concept of keeping everything in an Allstar network. If the Allstar Server went away, there are workarounds. I actually have several nodes on the air that the Allstar Server does not know about. But I will agree with your point on pulling the plug On Nov 5, 2015 1:05 PM, "Robert Newberry" <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote:
What happens when someone pulls the plug on allstar? What happens when someone pulls the plug on fusion? Nothing is forever. I highly doubt any plugs are getting pulled yaesu is putting a lot "skin in the game" to see fusion a success.
Hell c-bridge operators pull the plug on the DMR-MARC network when they get fed up.
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I think my aversion to Wires is centered around a Windows box that the radio or repeater has to be linked through. I would guess that the WIRES-X interface could be used with a non-wiresx environment. Or I am just a radio snob... Could be that too On Nov 5, 2015 1:05 PM, "Robert Newberry" <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote:
What happens when someone pulls the plug on allstar? What happens when someone pulls the plug on fusion? Nothing is forever. I highly doubt any plugs are getting pulled yaesu is putting a lot "skin in the game" to see fusion a success.
Hell c-bridge operators pull the plug on the DMR-MARC network when they get fed up.
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I haven't tried it, but I've had good success using ubuntu and wine to run windows apps. N1XBM Apparare Scientor Paratus Communicare Allstar Node # 27086, 41540, 41812, 42086
Just extra stuff to have to auto start in the event of a power failure. GUI driven shtuff at a remote site is not ideal. For me it is a deal breaker. Allstar interface is clean and simple. Just will have to keep plugging away until I get it right. We have alot of brain power here. Why be content with the old wheel when we can make a better one? On Nov 5, 2015 1:30 PM, "Robert Newberry" <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote:
I haven't tried it, but I've had good success using ubuntu and wine to run windows apps.
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Ron, It can be done, I'm sure. I'm coming to believe that the audio coming out of the radio is already close to PCM/uLaw quality (or should be) so we should be able to pipe that into AllStar, then pass that down the line to other modes. Matthew PittsN8OHU From: ronald simpson <n6gkj1@gmail.com> To: Digital linking using Asterisk and app_rpt <allstar-digital@lists.keekles.org> Sent: Thursday, November 5, 2015 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [Allstar Digital] DCI Just extra stuff to have to auto start in the event of a power failure. GUI driven shtuff at a remote site is not ideal. For me it is a deal breaker.Allstar interface is clean and simple. Just will have to keep plugging away until I get it right.We have alot of brain power here. Why be content with the old wheel when we can make a better one? On Nov 5, 2015 1:30 PM, "Robert Newberry" <N1XBM@amsat.org> wrote: I haven't tried it, but I've had good success using ubuntu and wine to run windows apps.N1XBM Apparare Scientor Paratus Communicare Allstar Node # 27086, 41540, 41812, 42086 _______________________________________________ Allstar-Digital mailing list Allstar-Digital@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/allstar-digital _______________________________________________ Allstar-Digital mailing list Allstar-Digital@lists.keekles.org http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/allstar-digital
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