Yep.
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-------- Original message --------From: Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> Date: 11/10/16 11:57 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Cc: tomray(a)hvc.rr.com, mark(a)stennett.com, dir1(a)florida-repeaters.org, kengkopp(a)gmail.com, k0pp(a)arrl.net Subject: Re: [FRC] Possible issues with FL repeater coordination
On 11/10/16 11:32 PM, kg4ugk wrote:
> Was this board and the FRC made aware that you in fact helped spread the
> leaked database? Was the ARRL brought in to provide support?
The ARRL was made aware of these issues. They have chosen to stay out of it.
> I personally, dont like the idea of Bryan being apart of this committee.
I don't like that idea either.
> We
> are all not just hams. We live other lives, have other jobs. We should be
> able to personally choose if we want information available and our home
> phone numbers and addresses being immediately exposed with a quick google
> search of your own name now, everyone on this list should in some way feel
> violated.
You have all this information listed in the FCC database.
> Theres a reason even QRZ requires registration and log ins prior
> to the address you want listed on there viewable to other HAMs, not the
> entire free world.
Again, FCC database has this. I'm not sure why QRZ doesn't show it, perhaps
to encourage account creation as they are an advertisement platform.
> I don't want every person I hand my business card to be
> able to call me at home or stop by my house because I didnt call them back
> before close of day, as I'd imagine some of you may feel. As soon as this
> database was made viewable, and he facilitated the distribution of said
> hacked database, he officially made himself an accomplice to the original
> crime.
There was no crime and this is publicly available information. The FRC cannot
promise to keep your information private legally.
At the end of the day more information is on your voter registration than
what's in some repeater records.
> I do like the idea of the PDC, but as to the interactions and
> confrontational approach he has, would not be conducive to the survival of
> the FRC. Yes he has made some valid points, and a plan was put in motion,
> great.
Then get involved. What do you want to see change?
> Bryan himself previously stated that it takes the FRC too long to provide
> updates, and we've been waiting quietly for his update.. his first order of
> being appointed to a newly formed committee is to state he hasnt had much
> time to devote to FRC issues. It usually rolls downhill.
I've been waiting for replies to emails and things I've sent out. We've had
no movement yet. As you said "We are all not just hams. We live other lives,
have other jobs."
> Theres a reason
> that a chain of command exists. I am now CC'ing the NFCC board members, as
> the ARRL should probably provide additional support, after all.. they are
> the ones who govern whos ultimately the coordinating body for each state,
> but after the extensive actions taken on Bryans side. When we are already
> vunerable to hacks in the computer day and age, Bryan in fact is going to
> set us back and harm the FL ham community. I am also going to talk to the
> local hams in broward county that have a bigger reach into our local
> repeater owners than I do.
The ARRL does not want to be involved, I've contacted them.
> IMPORTANT.To appoint someone to a committee to stop his legal attempts was
> not a wise decision, contacting the FCC or ARRL for assistance in this
> dispute should help resolve this.
To make a contract contingent on a party forgoing legal representation is not
legal. I only was asking for a members roster and the results of the past
four elections from the board. The fact they refused to provide this to a
member is disgusting. At that point, what option does one have other than to
retain counsel?
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I need some clarity on another issue..
Is Bryan being made a part of any committee?
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-------- Original message --------From: Mike Gonzalez N2FSU <n2fsu110(a)gmail.com> Date: 11/10/16 9:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Information
I want to clarify something. When I said the next renewal will be 09/30/2018, I meant that date will be your new renewal after you renew now. If you already did your renewal online before the renewal site want down you won’t have to do anything else. If you haven’t renewed yet you will have to go to the FRC website and download a copy of the renewal application, fill it out and mail it in. BTW, the renewal application is only like 4 or 5 lines (real simple) Once the servers are back on line, I’ll post it here.Marshall left the FRC and moved out of state. Districts 1 and 2 are now combined. Your directors are Mark Fila N4DES and Joaquin Pidal KZ4TI Mike Gonzalez N2FSUDistrict 6 DirectorFlorida Repeater Councildir6(a)florida-repeaters.org From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of Mario Ribas
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Subject: Re: [FRC] Information plea thanks 73se who is in district 1 did they change marshall On Thursday, November 10, 2016 5:31 PM, Mike Gonzalez N2FSU <n2fsu110(a)gmail.com> wrote: Ron, ALL repeaters in the state will renew at the same time. The next one will be 09/30/2018 for ALL Repeaters. Mike Gonzalez N2FSUDistrict 6 DirectorFlorida Repeater Councildir6(a)florida-repeaters.org From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
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Subject: Re: [FRC] Information If you know your FRC district Director email them. The FRC wants updates every 2 years and if your repeater freq ends in even number the update is to be submitted in odd year and if odd number update in even year. Normally one can update on the web site, special form for this, but since the site is down cannot do much there as you know. Here are some contacts for FRC: Dana, K4LK, Coordinator & Database Managerk4lk(a)tampabay.rr.com District 4 director, Mike Fletcher, NI4Mdir4(a)florida-repeaters.org If you know your district I am sure you can use dir(X)(a)florida-repeaters.org, but contacting the others should get you to where you need to be. 73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra Ron Wright, N9EE/R BSEEMicro Computer Concepts352-683-4476mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com From: FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces(a)lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Mark Brandel <markwbrandel(a)gmail.com>
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Subject: [FRC] Information I am the trustee of three club repeaters in Okeechobee and trying to find out if we're current or not. I understand there are issues with the web site, but I would like to know a status update and don't who from or how to get information. Any help will be appreciated, or can I be added to the mail list with updated information. Thank you, Mark Brandel KF4EA Mark(a)MarkBrandel.com Virus-free. www.avast.com _______________________________________________
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Ron,
Sorry you are incorrect. They changed it late last year or early this year.
No problem with the FRC. Volunteering for anything is almost a thankless task.
I think they made more work for them selfs with this idea.
73
Leon. K8ZAG
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Subject: Re: [FRC] Information
Leon,
The odd even renewal year has been the way FRC did in past. I've been doing for over 20 years. It was confusing. The FRC would list exp date, MM/DD/YYYY on the repeater listing.
Good if they have changed, but now they will get lots of renewals all at once and this usually means they will not act on it for months, but then again maybe it will be automatically done for their site.
I've been working with repeaters and FRC for over 20 years, since early 90s. They are very good coordinating group, one just needs to know how to deal with them, hi.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
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Ron, N9EE,
Read the home page of the FRC. There is a statement there that say's
NOTICE: All new and renewing coordinations will be issued an expiration date of 9/30/2018.
Nothing about even or odd repeater frequencies.
Where did you get your info from?
Leon K8ZAG
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Mark,
If you know your FRC district Director email them. The FRC wants updates every 2 years and if your repeater freq ends in even number the update is to be submitted in odd year and if odd number update in even year.
Normally one can update on the web site, special form for this, but since the site is down cannot do much there as you know.
Here are some contacts for FRC:
Dana, K4LK, Coordinator & Database Manager
k4lk(a)tampabay.rr.com
District 4 director, Mike Fletcher, NI4M
dir4(a)florida-repeaters.org
If you know your district I am sure you can use dir(X)(a)florida-repeaters.org, but contacting the others should get you to where you need to be.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
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I am the trustee of three club repeaters in Okeechobee and trying to find out if we're current or not. I understand there are issues with the web site, but I would like to know a status update and don't who from or how to get information. Any help will be appreciated, or can I be added to the mail list with updated information.
Thank you, Mark Brandel KF4EA Mark(a)MarkBrandel.com
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There was some forward progress, and I'll have a longer email coming in the
next day. I didn't have time last night or today to write up as I have other
personal commitments.
73's
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If you seek change at the Florida Repeater Council, I need you proxy by 5am
EST. I will be leaving for the Hamfest at that time, and will be doing a
final printout of proxies at that time.
We have about 30 hams in proxy for the FRC who want change as to how the bands
are planned in Florida. We will get redress of the issues, and your proxy
will enable us to move the board forward.
Please fill out the attached proxy and send it back, or even send a camera
phone picture to 727-409-1194.
73's and wish us luck at the meeting. Lets hope the FRC directors see the
light of progress.
W9CR
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The meeting is scheduled at 1pm today, and I'll be around at the hamfest
before. If you support change of the status quo at the FRC please come by
early around noon as I'll be reviewing and giving a quick overview of the
process we are following.
Thank you and 73's,
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Wasn't able to make it up to Melbourne.
Awaiting the news of this weekends meeting.
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-------- Original message --------From: Bryan Fields <bryan(a)bryanfields.net> Date: 10/12/16 8:59 AM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Both were removed within minutes of asking as well. Gtg, taking off out of EVV.
73s
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On Oct 12, 2016, at 08:56, David Krauss <nx4y(a)verizon.net> wrote:
it's not hard to unsubscribe. just click the link at the bottom of any of the emails and put your address in where it says unsubscribe, and unsubscribe. not rocket science.
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On Oct 12, 2016, at 7:33 AM, Frank Pliska <frankpliska(a)comcast.net> wrote:
I have also submitted a request to be removed from the FRC email list 3 weeks ago
Frank Pliska III
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MOTOROLA
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On Oct 11, 2016, at 5:17 PM, Richard J Reuther <rjreuther(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
Please... I beg of you, remove me from this list!
Rick Reuther
KC2HFL
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On Oct 11, 2016, at 10:53, Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> wrote:
On 10/10/16 5:46 PM, kg4ugk wrote:
We all carry ourselves a certain way when broadcasting on air, as we are
governed by the FCC and choose our words wisely. All I'm asking is that we
conduct ourselves in the same civilized manner we would on air.
I always encourage people to voice their viewpoint, in person, on air, or in
email. I also say the great thing about radio is if you don't want to listen
to some one talk, change the channel. I've had to do this a few times over
the years.
While we may not all agree with Brian's methods or tactics.. I actually
took the time to have a voice call with him and hear his side, as well as
have an articulated conversation on some of the practices of the FRC and
some other governing bodies.
Shawn, I appreciated your call and conversation.
As I said, I was not left with many options from the FRC leadership to contact
the members via other means. If anyone wants off this list, you can do or ask
me. I know we had some people with forwarded addresses and I needed headers
to reconcile those. I've removed most within hours of asking.
Hacking/Cracking/Unsecured/Breached/Test what ever you want to call it..
according to the ARRL the FRC is the responsible party for coordination in
the state of Florida. According to ARRL the FRCs website is
http://florida-repeaters.org and according to their site, the information
was never publicly released and was obtained by other means.
This contradicts the information I've been given regarding how it was
obtained. I've been told it was on a public website. I believe Mr. Fletcher
is trying to deflect blame onto others.
As I am on the fence about being contacted against the FRC, I have been
intrigued by this email list, it's put me in contact with some people whom
I probably wouldn't have had other means of reaching. The 20 emails from
the same person asking to be removed was more of an annoyance than the list
itself.
It's my hope the signal to noise ratio improves over time, and that seams to
be the case.
The fact that others are choosing to mirror this private information just
disturbs me further.
Others are mirroring it and providing access to the listings now that the FRC
website has removed them.
Further all FRC me
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I requested to be removed to no avail. .someone out there please take me Off!!!
<div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: PAUL LICHTERMAN <ltsradio(a)yahoo.com> </div><div>Date:10/09/2016 5:16 PM (GMT-06:00) </div><div>To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org>,mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com,Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> </div><div>Subject: Re: [FRC] What is this lists' purpose </div><div>
</div>Hello everyone,
Please keep the name calling to a minimum.
Thank you in in advance
Gerald P. Lichterman
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On Sun, Oct 9, 2016 at 4:59 PM, mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
<mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
You got this for a clown stole the FRC's email list. And now this same clown wants to control repeater coordination in Florida. But he is a IT clown and we in real engineering know IT pukes are not very well educated.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
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Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2016 5:35 AM
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Maybe I missed it because I was concentrating on saving my family from Matthew, but how did I get on this list again, and what is it's purpose?
I've got one repeater that I am the trustee and coordinator for. The FRC has always been respectful and helpful, and while maybe not always the quickest, I found that they would follow through with what the said they would do. Besides that, a few of their board members have had some major health issues, so I treated them with the respect and patience we as amateur radio operators are known for.
73 de KK4YEL
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The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.
> On Oct 8, 2016, at 11:08, Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> wrote:
>
>> On 10/7/16 11:30 PM, Jon Pearl - W4ABC wrote:
>> I've got Mysql loaded in my shack computer to manage my logbook and
>> you're right... a relational database beats the heck out of hunting and
>> picking through a static .pdf file, any day. There are a lot of old
>> entries in this file that could be culled but as you say, if this
>> database was the product of real-time information, it would speed up the
>> search process for amateurs hunting pairs.
>
> I did just this with FCC data looking for commercial pairs.
> This selects frequencies at base stations between 464 and 465 from a central
> point, and orders them by furthest to nearest.
>
> A query such as this could be run via a web interface after clicking "here" on
> a map and ranking all frequencies in use in furthest to near from that point.
> ie, you click on a point and it tells you the frequencies in use there sorted
> by distance.
>
>> SELECT
>> f.frequency_assigned,f.call_sign, f.location_number,f.unique_system_identifier, l.dec_lat, l.dec_long,
>> (ROUND( 3956 * acos( cos( radians(lat) )
>> * cos( radians(l.dec_lat) )
>> * cos( radians(l.dec_long) - radians(lon)) + sin(radians(lon))
>> * sin( radians(l.dec_lat)))
>> )) AS distance
>> FROM `FREQUENCY` f right join LOCATION l on l.location_number = f.location_number and l.unique_system_identifier = f.`unique_system_identifier` WHERE f.frequency_assigned >=464 and f.frequency_assigned <=465 and l.dec_lat is not null
>> AND f.frequency_assigned NOT in
>> (SELECT distinct f.frequency_assigned
>> FROM `FREQUENCY` f right join LOCATION l on l.location_number = f.location_number and l.unique_system_identifier = f.`unique_system_identifier` WHERE f.frequency_assigned >=464 and f.frequency_assigned <=465 and l.dec_lat is not null AND
>> ROUND( 3956 * acos( cos( radians(lat) )
>> * cos( radians(l.dec_lat) )
>> * cos( radians(l.dec_long) - radians(lon)) + sin(radians(lat))
>> * sin( radians(l.dec_lat)))
>> ) < 15
>> ORDER BY `f`.`frequency_assigned` ASC)
>> ORDER BY `f`.`frequency_assigned`, `distance` DESC
>
>
>
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Wow.
Stop.
Take a breath.
This conversation and this list has gotten so far off topic. Constant blame game and now resulting to clever elementary word games and childish name calling.
Seriously. Stop. Go outside, look at the sun set. Peek at your antenna array. Think about the hobby in its most fundamental principles. It's a means of communication and one that US as hams don't take for granted. We have fought for our rights to operate the frequencies and band plans allotted to us by the ARRL, and by our license class, regardless if we are a no code tech or a know code extra.
I'm a young ham. Not just in age but years on the air. It was the politicalness of clubs that kept me radio silent for many years.. and even today keeps me fearful of using others repeaters and radio systems.
It's the duty as an elmer or one who's been on air for longer durations to coach and lead the younger ones into the right ways of ham/radio etiquette.
We all carry ourselves a certain way when broadcasting on air, as we are governed by the FCC and choose our words wisely. All I'm asking is that we conduct ourselves in the same civilized manner we would on air.
While we may not all agree with Brian's methods or tactics.. I actually took the time to have a voice call with him and hear his side, as well as have an articulated conversation on some of the practices of the FRC and some other governing bodies.
Stop. Take another breath.
And another one.
Hacking/Cracking/Unsecured/Breached/Test what ever you want to call it.. according to the ARRL the FRC is the responsible party for coordination in the state of Florida. According to ARRL the FRCs website is http://florida-repeaters.org and according to their site, the information was never publicly released and was obtained by other means.
As I am on the fence about being contacted against the FRC, I have been intrigued by this email list, it's put me in contact with some people whom I probably wouldn't have had other means of reaching. The 20 emails from the same person asking to be removed was more of an annoyance than the list itself.
The fact that others are choosing to mirror this private information just disturbs me further.
So again.. no matter your views/opinions/skill set/job title, can we please conduct ourselves like the concerning ham operators we once thrived to be?
Before responding. Please, take a moment, think, and then respond.
Best regards,Shawn CampbellKG4UGK
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-------- Original message --------From: John <k4ag(a)bellsouth.net> Date: 10/10/16 4:08 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Just telling the truth
On 10/8/2016 4:22 PM, hernandeznilo wrote:
> Thanks John...
> 73
> W4HN
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