According to FRCs website.. their data was in fact breached.. and they have contacted the authorities.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> Date: 10/4/16 12:05 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] Melbourne Hamfest Postponed...
On 10/4/16 11:48 AM, Jon Pearl - W4ABC wrote:
> **
>
> *Due to HURRICANE MATTHEW the MELBOURNE HAMFEST and ARRL FLORIDA STATE
> CONVENTION has been Postponed *until October 21th and 22nd.
>
So, this does beg the question, will the FRC postpone their meeting? Per the
bylaws they require 30 days notice to have a meeting.
--
Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
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Gentlemen & Ladies,
Please postpone the FRC discussion for a few days. My inbox is getting
flooded with emails and we have Hurricane Matthew headed toward Florida.
Although on the west coast, we are still expecting moderate to heavy winds and
rain. I have to wade through 20 to 50 emails to find the ones from our
EOC/EM and our ECs.
Please take into consideration our needs now (in REAL TIME), and get back
to the FRC issue AFTER the physical weather clears and our residents are
safe.
Check your repeaters and make sure they're working - hopefully, we won't
need ARES or RACES, but if we do, we have to be ready.
Keep the airways open and the email "airways" open for important or
emergency traffic.
Thank you,
73, Steve KI4LVH
Pasco County Assistant EC
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Ron,
Do you need help in unsubscribing?
On Oct 4, 2016 11:06 PM, mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com wrote:
The email list was hacked from either the FRC list, Bryan admitted they
would not give it to him as they should, or from another server.
Yes, I may be a member of FRC and their list, but they like most protect
that list as they should.
If Bryan was in charge would he be giving out our personal info, sounds as
if he would.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
BSEE
Micro Computer Concepts
352-683-4476
mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
------------------------------
*From:* FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces(a)lists.keekles.org> on behalf of MICHAEL
WELLS <wells8868(a)bellsouth.net>
*Sent:* Monday, October 3, 2016 7:00 PM
*To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion
*Subject:* Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
?????????????????????????
------------------------------
*From:* "vern(a)highwayusa.com" <vern(a)highwayusa.com>
*To:* Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org>
*Sent:* Monday, October 3, 2016 7:36 AM
*Subject:* Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Calm down, no one hacked anything and this isn't spam, you
are a member of the FRC mailing list and that is why you
are getting these.
Vern
KI4ONW
On Mon, 3 Oct 2016 08:44:32 -0400
"KJ4AN Wayne F" <kj4an(a)comcast.net> wrote:
> LOOK GUYS (and Gals) I want to be REMOVED from these
>e-mails, I didn't ask
> to be part of them. FRC and Dana has ALWAYS been helpful
>assisting me with
> issues over the years. I have had several repeaters on
>the air in the
> Clermont-Lake-Marion-Sumter County area SINCE 1980.
>
>
>
> PLEASE REMOVE MY E-mail from your 'SPAM-LIST', obviously
>someone associated
> with these postings hacked the FRC info database.
>
>
>
> *It is not necessary to be part of the FRC, they are
>only an advisory board,
> monitor the pair you qualify to be on, know the band
>plan, rules, and do
> your own thing if you wish, it's ultimately up to you,
>not the FRC.
>
>
>
> KJ4AN-Wayne Licensed Florida Amateur Radio Operator
>since 1965
>
>FCC General Radio License since 1985 #PG-GB-009142
>
>
>
> (KJ4AN(a)Comcast.net)
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: FRC-Info
>[mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of
> kg4ugk(a)kg4ugk.com
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM
> To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion
> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
>
>
>
> Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my
>coordination
> completed.
>
>
>
> Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused
>pairs? It seems
> counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well
>as trying to find
> existing ones.
>
>
>
> In my understanding and past experience, you request
>temporary coordination
> and based on your location and desired output power,
>they then assign you a
> frequency pair that won't interfere with existing
>repeaters in the output
> powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and
>test before providing
> full coordination.
>
>
>
> Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would
>potentially cause
> interference to those setting one up in the future, and
>would possibly
> result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when
>someone else receives
> coordination for that pair.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Shawn Campbell
>
> KG4UGK
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>From: vern(a)highwayusa.com
> Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am
> To: "Florida Repeater Council Discussion"
><frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org>
> Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
>
>
> I must say that I have tried several times to contact
>the
> council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my
> old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were
> defunct until I saw this email come through.
>
> Vern
> KI4ONW
>
>>
>> P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you
>>wish to not be a part of this discussion you can remove
>>yourself using the link at the bottom. I'm happy to
>>oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have
>>any questions.
>>
>>
>>
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>> <http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info>
>>http://lists.keekles.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/frc-info
>>
>
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Seeing that no one opted in for this email list, FRC did not provide him with contact information, and in fact tried/attempted to keep our information private.
And the fact Bryan owns/hosts lists.keekles.org (the server responsible for this newly created list)
I suggest that you contact his registrar/hosting providers abuse system to form a complaint.
Enom.com:abuse@enom.com
Registrant Name: BRYAN FIELDS
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 501 80TH AVE
Registrant City: ST PETE BEACH
Registrant State/Province: FL
Registrant Postal Code: 33706
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.7274091194
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.5555555555
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: Registrar Abuse Contact: +1.4252982646 abuse(a)enom.com
And as many of us have spoken up about our past successful interactions and the fact Bryan decided to leave them out on this thread, I've decided to copy the 'accused' on this email.
He has clearly stated his request for our personal information was with held by the FRC, and that he proceeded to seek alternative means of acquiring our information in an effort to contact us.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Bob Dunkin <rldunkin(a)comcast.net> Date: 10/4/16 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
unsubscribe
From: vernon ferris
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:09 PM
To: 'Florida Repeater Council
Discussion'
Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council
Information
Hi
Ron and John,
I
have dealt with Dana on three repeaters, mine and two that the county turned
over to me as ARES EC for the county and as a volunteer himself he has done a
good job. And I agree with both of you.
Have
a good week and keep your feet dry.
Vern,
W4NEK
From: FRC-Info
[mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of
mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 12:43
PM
To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion
Subject: Re:
[FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council
Information
John,
Yes, I think
you are correct. Just seems I was not getting replies from others.
have been getting today.
It is good to
have these discussions and the FRC does need guidance from us into
repeaters. Just seems one guy has a beef and wants to take over and he has
little to do with repeaters really. More of a club board member. And
being into the internet service or an IT guy is very little tech knowledge of
this subject. Engineering firms do not consider IT guys technical
people. But they have a valuable place.
I think the
FRC does a good job, but they are often slow. Our District 4 director has
responded to me quickly in last year when i need assistance in getting a pair
for a repeater. not sure what other directors do. Dana is very slow,
I think he picks one Saturday in the month and works on what he has received,
hi. But he is very knowledgeable about the issues...has lots of experience
over the last 20 years dealing with the issues.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know
code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
BSEE
Micro Computer
Concepts
352-683-4476
mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
From:
FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces(a)lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Jon Pearl -
W4ABC <jonpearl(a)tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016
11:40 AM
To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion
Subject:
Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Good morning
Ron,
Is it
possible that you're capturing all of the email messages from the FRC list
server? It appears that you've somehow arrived at the decision that all
are not allowed to communicate in this venue. Here are the archives:
http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/frc-info/
I posted a
message to the group yesterday, and while it appeared to all on the list almost
immediately, I personally didn't see it arrive in my own mailbox for quite some
time. I see this happen quite frequently on the Tower-Talk list
server.
73,
Jon Pearl -
W4ABC
On 10/3/2016
11:47 AM, mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
wrote:
Bryan,
It appears
this discussion is between you and us, not between us and us. A real
discussion would be between all of us.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know
code Extra
And once more...
On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM,
mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
wrote:
(snip)
Just like
this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to
communicate. Do we want this in FRC???
73, ron, n9ee/r a
know code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
BSEE
Micro Computer
Concepts
352-683-4476
mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
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I think we can all mostly agree the automatic subscription to the list may not have been the best idea and I've expressed this to Bryan myself. Nonetheless, me being either brave or stupid, have decided to publicly support his views, for the most part.
Ron, i don't know where you got the idea Bryan doesn't know anything about repeaters. He does know about repeaters, a lot. He has several on the air now, and has had several in other states. I've seen him do some conversions on equipment i would never have thought possible , and I've been running repeaters well over 30 years, just like you if i'm not mistaken. Remember K5FOG? WA4IBM? W4CF? I was WD4KEZ back then in 1980 when i built my first repeater.
anyway, I'm rambling. there are many that have not posted publicly here that also agree. The silent majority, i believe. Sooo. instead of arguing about it, can we use this forum as a rational discussion on these issues?
Here's my 2 cents
1. The FRC model of board members continually voting themselves back in has to stop. term limits are needed.
2. District directors should be up for renewal every 2 years, but could still be appointed , by a term limited board. Most agree we have some good folks working as directors in many areas.
3. The database must be rebuilt using a modern, query-able database by a competent programmer. MySql is probably the best option.
4. the web site must be updated from its apparent 1990's base to a modern interface that allows a request to be posted to the database and the appropriate people notified. Using SQL spatial queries against the coordinates along with other entered data could even allow for instant potential pairs to be output to the users.
There are no technical reasons these couldn't be implemented pretty readily, and a revision of the by laws could handle the administrative side.
I don't think these are radical ideas at all. but ones needed to bring the current stagnation to an end.
73
NX4Y
p25nx.com
twitter #p25nx
A member remade the proxy form to be a bit more legal looking in a docx and
pdf format.
Please use either form and get them back to me ASAP if you wish to reform the FRC.
Word Format:
http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/Proxy%20Form.docx
PDF:
http://bryanfields.net/FRC-info/Proxy%20Form.pdf
It's been brought to my attention the FRC membership website was taken
off-line. I can only suspect to keep people from becoming members or renewing.
Regardless, if you are not currently a member or there is doubt to your
membership status, please send me a proxy anyways. I will pay dues on your
behalf at the meeting and we can settle up after the meeting.
73's
--
Bryan Fields
727-409-1194 - Voice
http://bryanfields.net
I'm pretty sure that I am not an FRC member, though not certain..as I have
not had any form of "Minutes of meetings" in ages -if ever.
I had thought that the unusually slow processing speed was a "due
diligence" effect , and a nuisance at best ..however I have heard of "Paper
Repeaters" existing and even a story of certain frequencies/pairs being held
from general use only to be "sold" to some well healed or politically
influential entities.
How any of the above -if true- equates to the proper management of
frequency assets worries me , and throws the otherwise best practices book
into the Chipper.
If your efforts would include an immediate sweep for DEAD WOOD and
Paper machines ...count me in.
If it was truly the best the current FRC could do, God bless them for
the effort , but If stories of malice are true ..an intervention is
clearly needed.
However , I can't help thinking that previous performance of the FRC
and the attrition of Hams capable of ginning up a repeater .,constitute a
rapidly approaching drain.
In my travels over the last few years , I have heard a shocking ebb
in repeater activity ,and even the once friendly VHF Spx 146.52 is near
desolate of travel companions.
I fear that HAMS willing to put up with the "WE SAY SO Company " ethic
of the recent FRC...are likely to believe a new FRC would be just
rearranging the deck chairs on the "S.S. Minnow" .
Yours,
Dave Fragale
KA4CNP
444.4/449.4 192.8
Seminole
In a message dated 10/2/2016 10:23:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Bryan(a)bryanfields.net writes:
Greetings and welcome to the Florida Repeater Discussion List,
I am Bryan Fields, W9CR.
I’m involved in amateur radio in the Tampa Bay area, with membership in
four local clubs and chairman of the Technical Committee for my local group.
Professionally I am a Network Architect with a major telecom company. I’
ve been a licensed amateur since 1995 (over 2/3 of my life), hold a
GROL+Radar and have a background in cellular/microwave networks.
Fellow Amateurs, the FRC is an organization run amuck. Incompetent
directors are managing it, flouting the bylaws, violating Florida Law, and
ignoring member needs. I am asking for your proxy for the upcoming FRC meeting.
It has failed in its ability to coordinate operations of amateur radio
repeaters in the following ways:
* <!--[if !supportLists]-->Publication of the FRC database on a
public website
* This database dump in MySQL format and the associated webpages
show without a doubt the level of incompetency in the programming behind the
database. This is nothing but gross negligence on the part of Director
Rodakis and Director Lavender.
* Per the coordination policy, locations are to be kept secret,
however a Reddit user was kind enough to post a Google earth KML showing the
coordinated location of every repeater in the state.
* All your personal data, phone, email, home address, repeater site
address and Repeater Site GPS coordinates are published.
* Length of the coordination process is unacceptable!
* As of this writing coordination applications post 1/25/2016 have
not been processed. It’s October!
* If the coordinator cannot process applications in a reasonable
time, he needs to step down.
* Renewals have not been processed post 5/7/2016! As most
coordinations expire on 9/30/2016, this means no members may vote under the
bylaws! This applies to the board as well.
* <!--[if !supportLists]--><!--[endif]-->Violation of the
coordination policy by the directors
* Willful violation of the bylaws by the directors
* Willful violations of FS 617 regarding members request for
information
* Acknowledged receipt of this by President Kassis
* Publicly stating the policy of the FRC is “is unable to search for
available frequencies”, when this is the FCC definition of a frequency
coordinator.
* When they do suggest frequencies there active repeaters on them,
some even coordinated well under the radius.
* Inventing new coordination polices on the fly without approval of
the board
The FRC must be reformed if it wishes to keep its legitimacy. Frequency
coordination is voluntary in amateur radio, and there is little reason for
amateur radio operators in Florida to seek coordination from the FRC under
this current administration.
My goal is to transform this organization into a healthy helping hand for
repeater operators and other amateur spectrum users. No one should be
answered with contempt for months after putting an application in for
coordination only to be told “fill it out again, we can’t edit it”. This should
not be an organization which exists as a good-ol’-boy system breading
contempt; rather one which operates in the open, in accordance with its bylaws,
and accountable to its members.
The FRC should ask how to say “Yes” rather than saying “No” in working
with their members and other amateurs.
My plan to get us on the right track is:
* <!--[endif]-->Remove the current directors for gross incompetency
and exposing the organization to liability:
* Ray Kassis, N4LEM
* Dana Rodakis, K4LK
* (Glenn) Mike Fletcher, NI4M
* Chuck Lavender, W4CLL
* Demand new elections for existing directors in compliance with the
bylaws.
* Establish a bylaw committee to rewrite the bylaws and change the
organization structure to better serve all amateurs in Florida.
* Establish a development process for new policies from the
membership
* Encourage input from the membership based on sound technical
policies
* De-centralize coordination by having a web enabled database be
accessible to the public showing all history of an application through
coordination.
* No one person should be the gatekeeper of the database.
* Make all records of the FRC open to the public, as any non-profit
serving the public interest must be.
I will make a motion to accomplish this at the next meeting at the
Melbourne Hamfest meeting. To make this happen, I am asking for your proxy, if
you’re a member of the FRC. You will need to print out this form and sign
it, then send a scan or legible picture of it to me via email or text
message. If you can attend the meeting, please do so.
It’s $10 to become a member on the FRC website and it buys the right to
have a say in the future of amateur radio in Florida.
http://florida-repeaters.org/donate.htm
I fully expect to be shouted down by the board, but as members we cannot
be ignored. I wish to resolve this via the membership, but if ignored I do
intend to comply the board, by any legal means, to follow the bylaws and FS
617.
I need your proxy by the Friday, October 7, 2016.
73’s and see you at Melbourne,
Bryan Fields, W9CR
P.S. Please feel free to discuss this on list. If you wish to not be a
part of this discussion you can remove yourself using the link at the bottom.
I'm happy to oblige your wishes via direct email as well if you have any
questions.
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And if so.. I advise you to voice your opinion as that's the only way to be heard, as well as hopefully resolve any concerns the ham community may have.
In no way am I attempting to discredit Bryan or his views. We are all entitled to our own opinions. And in fact if it wasn't for this list, I wouldn't have even know about the scheduled meetings. I'm considering attending one myself solely because of this thread.
I think someone else mentioned earlier, if there's a suggestion or a plan on how things can be executed better, than bring it to everyone's attention.
But pointing the finger at someone else isn't going to resolve anything. And believe that Bryan may get some animosity due to his methods of contacting us.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Frank Echanique <ki4ijq(a)flecom.net> Date: 10/4/16 10:28 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
people have had good interactions with the FRC? I can assure you that wasn't my experience…
I don't think I have ever dealt with a more dysfunctional organization
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 10:24 PM, kg4ugk <kg4ugk(a)kg4ugk.com> wrote:
Seeing that no one opted in for this email list, FRC did not provide him with contact information, and in fact tried/attempted to keep our information private.
And the fact Bryan owns/hosts lists.keekles.org (the server responsible for this newly created list)
I suggest that you contact his registrar/hosting providers abuse system to form a complaint.
Enom.com:abuse@enom.com
Registrant Name: BRYAN FIELDS
Registrant Organization:
Registrant Street: 501 80TH AVE
Registrant City: ST PETE BEACH
Registrant State/Province: FL
Registrant Postal Code: 33706
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Phone: +1.7274091194
Registrant Phone Ext:
Registrant Fax: +1.5555555555
Registrant Fax Ext:
Registrant Email: Registrar Abuse Contact: +1.4252982646 abuse(a)enom.com
And as many of us have spoken up about our past successful interactions and the fact Bryan decided to leave them out on this thread, I've decided to copy the 'accused' on this email.
He has clearly stated his request for our personal information was with held by the FRC, and that he proceeded to seek alternative means of acquiring our information in an effort to contact us.
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message --------From: Bob Dunkin <rldunkin(a)comcast.net> Date: 10/4/16 7:17 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'Florida Repeater Council Discussion' <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org> Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
unsubscribe
From: vernon ferris
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 6:09 PM
To: 'Florida Repeater Council
Discussion'
Subject: Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council
Information
Hi
Ron and John,
I
have dealt with Dana on three repeaters, mine and two that the county turned
over to me as ARES EC for the county and as a volunteer himself he has done a
good job. And I agree with both of you.
Have
a good week and keep your feet dry.
Vern,
W4NEK
From: FRC-Info
[mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of
mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 12:43
PM
To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion
Subject: Re:
[FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council
Information
John,
Yes, I think
you are correct. Just seems I was not getting replies from others.
have been getting today.
It is good to
have these discussions and the FRC does need guidance from us into
repeaters. Just seems one guy has a beef and wants to take over and he has
little to do with repeaters really. More of a club board member. And
being into the internet service or an IT guy is very little tech knowledge of
this subject. Engineering firms do not consider IT guys technical
people. But they have a valuable place.
I think the
FRC does a good job, but they are often slow. Our District 4 director has
responded to me quickly in last year when i need assistance in getting a pair
for a repeater. not sure what other directors do. Dana is very slow,
I think he picks one Saturday in the month and works on what he has received,
hi. But he is very knowledgeable about the issues...has lots of experience
over the last 20 years dealing with the issues.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know
code Extra
Ron Wright, N9EE/R
BSEE
Micro Computer
Concepts
352-683-4476
mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
From:
FRC-Info <frc-info-bounces(a)lists.keekles.org> on behalf of Jon Pearl -
W4ABC <jonpearl(a)tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2016
11:40 AM
To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion
Subject:
Re: [FRC] FYI... Florida Repeater Council Information
Good morning
Ron,
Is it
possible that you're capturing all of the email messages from the FRC list
server? It appears that you've somehow arrived at the decision that all
are not allowed to communicate in this venue. Here are the archives:
http://lists.keekles.org/pipermail/frc-info/
I posted a
message to the group yesterday, and while it appeared to all on the list almost
immediately, I personally didn't see it arrive in my own mailbox for quite some
time. I see this happen quite frequently on the Tower-Talk list
server.
73,
Jon Pearl -
W4ABC
On 10/3/2016
11:47 AM, mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
wrote:
Bryan,
It appears
this discussion is between you and us, not between us and us. A real
discussion would be between all of us.
73, ron, n9ee/r a know
code Extra
And once more...
On 10/3/2016 1:25 PM,
mccrpt(a)tampabay.rr.com
wrote:
(snip)
Just like
this discussion and whoever started it, they are not allowing all to
communicate. Do we want this in FRC???
73, ron, n9ee/r a
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Gentlemen (and Ladies, if any) ,
I don’t know where you got this e-mail from. I truly doubt you got it legitimately from the FRC.
Regardless,
I have not asked to be included in this group or any discussions,
You are e-mailing my work/Government e-mail account (so everything is open the Florida Sunshine Law),
And finally, I have never had any troubles with the Florida Repeater Council. They have always acted quickly and fairly with any questions or registration I have had.
Mr. Fields,
I would ask that, in the future, you consider your actions a bit more before blindly e-mailing a large group of people with your grievances.
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From: FRC-Info [mailto:frc-info-bounces@lists.keekles.org] On Behalf Of kg4ugk(a)kg4ugk.com
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2016 8:26 AM
To: Florida Repeater Council Discussion <frc-info(a)lists.keekles.org>
Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
Back in 2002, Dana was extremely helpful in getting my coordination completed.
Bryan, question. Why would you need a listing of unused pairs? It seems counter productive to starting a new repeater, as well as trying to find existing ones.
In my understanding and past experience, you request temporary coordination and based on your location and desired output power, they then assign you a frequency pair that won't interfere with existing repeaters in the output powers RF range. They then give you time to setup and test before providing full coordination.
Launching a repeater on an unused frequency pair, would potentially cause interference to those setting one up in the future, and would possibly result in a cease and deceit letter from the FCC when someone else receives coordination for that pair.
Best regards,
Shawn Campbell
KG4UGK
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From: vern(a)highwayusa.com<mailto:vern@highwayusa.com>
Sent: Monday, October 3, 2016 6:58am
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Subject: Re: [FRC] Florida Repeater Council Information
I must say that I have tried several times to contact the
council to see if I could fire my repeater back up on my
old pair, and have heard nothing. I thought they were
defunct until I saw this email come through.
Vern
KI4ONW
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