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[App_rpt] [Fwd: RE: audio setup issues with USB FOBs]
by Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE 27 Apr '08

27 Apr '08

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [App_rpt] audio setup issues with USB FOBs Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 16:44:41 -0400 From: Leon Zetekoff <Leon.Zetekoff(a)mybluemont.com> To: Asterisk Repeater Controler <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net>, "wa4zlw(a)arrl.net" <wa4zlw(a)arrl.net> References: <47FE5157.9090105(a)backwoodswireless.net> <e2ed85230804101825v52873c77ta4f5c74f37708383(a)mail.gmail.com> Steve…I’m headed down to VA tomorrow morning and will return home Friday. What’s a good time during this week for you? Please post directly to leonz(a)mybluemont.com <mailto:leonz@mybluemont.com> so we can take it off list. Thanks leon ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* app_rpt-bounces(a)lists.illiana.net [mailto:app_rpt-bounces@lists.illiana.net] *On Behalf Of *Steven Henke *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:26 PM *To:* wa4zlw(a)arrl.net; Asterisk Repeater Controler *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt] audio setup issues with USB FOBs Leon, Sounds like the flat output may be flat but only through 3 KHz and not up to 10 KHz where the noise is for carrier squelch. The way to figure this out is to sample the audio through the USB adapter into a utility like Audacity and use its FFT to see what the noise spectrum looks like. I'd be glad to help you do this by logging in, capturing the signal and transfering to my lab for analysis. I can take the results and come up with a configuration setting that will work for you. Just let me know what you want to do. 73, Steve Henke, W9SH On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE <wa4zlw(a)backwoodswireless.net <mailto:wa4zlw@backwoodswireless.net>> wrote: Hi there… We purchased a few of the DMK USB FOBs awhile back after homebrewing a few. When I was down in Virginia at company HQ last month, I spent a few nights trying to make this work to no avail. We have an old IFR service monitor which I was using to generate tones and such. We're using an Icom commercial repeater IC-FR3000/4000. The Icom has no internal controls for rx or txaudio that I can find (documentation is very slim). Basically, rxtune doesn't want to work with the audio coming off the Icom repeater discriminator. I did not try deemphasized audio as I want to keep everything flat. In looking through some of the old posts we are seeing similar results whereby rxtune doesn't see anything. But oddly enough, if I used the HT to generate DTMF tones, the * box would detect them. The transmitted audio I could not get more than 2 or 2.5 kHz deviation with the audio coming out of the * box. As a side note, when we were using the homebrew USB FOBs we had louder digitally generated audio (didn't have the service monitor then) than repeated audio. Got any ideas to try? Thanks leon wa4zlw _______________________________________________ App_rpt mailing list App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net <mailto:App_rpt@lists.illiana.net> http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt

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[App_rpt] audio setup issues with USB FOBs
by Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE 17 Apr '08

17 Apr '08

Hi there… We purchased a few of the DMK USB FOBs awhile back after homebrewing a few. When I was down in Virginia at company HQ last month, I spent a few nights trying to make this work to no avail. We have an old IFR service monitor which I was using to generate tones and such. We’re using an Icom commercial repeater IC-FR3000/4000. The Icom has no internal controls for rx or txaudio that I can find (documentation is very slim). Basically, rxtune doesn't want to work with the audio coming off the Icom repeater discriminator. I did not try deemphasized audio as I want to keep everything flat. In looking through some of the old posts we are seeing similar results whereby rxtune doesn’t see anything. But oddly enough, if I used the HT to generate DTMF tones, the * box would detect them. The transmitted audio I could not get more than 2 or 2.5 kHz deviation with the audio coming out of the * box. As a side note, when we were using the homebrew USB FOBs we had louder digitally generated audio (didn’t have the service monitor then) than repeated audio. Got any ideas to try? Thanks leon wa4zlw

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Re: [App_rpt] App_rpt Digest, Vol 26, Issue 1
by Nevada Amateur Radio Repeaters, Inc. 14 Apr '08

14 Apr '08

Thanks to Jim and Stephen for the All Star session at the 2008 VoIP Conference held in Las Vegas this past Saturday. I think we can expect several more nodes to follow. Kent W7AOR www.narri.org -----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-bounces(a)lists.illiana.net [mailto:app_rpt-bounces@lists.illiana.net] On Behalf Of app_rpt-request(a)lists.illiana.net Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 6:26 PM To: app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net Subject: App_rpt Digest, Vol 26, Issue 1 Send App_rpt mailing list submissions to app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to app_rpt-request(a)lists.illiana.net You can reach the person managing the list at app_rpt-owner(a)lists.illiana.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of App_rpt digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Thanks and Questions (marshall(a)cal-net.org) 2. Test message (Stephen Rodgers) 3. Test message (Stephen Rodgers) 4. Re: SVN Checkout of New app_rpt, howto? (Steve Totaro) 5. Re: Just Placed an order with DMK Engineering (Steve Totaro) 6. Getting New app_rpt in Asterisk Trunk (Steve Totaro) 7. audio setup issues with USB FOBs (Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE) 8. Re: audio setup issues with USB FOBs (Steven Henke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 08:41:32 -0700 (PDT) From: marshall(a)cal-net.org Subject: [App_rpt] Thanks and Questions To: app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net Message-ID: <1736.67.127.110.155.1205422892.squirrel(a)mail.cal-net.org> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Greetings, First off, I wanted to thank everyone for such a great system that you guys have put together. It just blows me away how much work has been put into this project. From the install scripts for the OS and software to the tuning software for levels and signals on the USB FOB. I was amazed at how good the tuning scripts worked when I went through the radio tuning setup. All I can say is "Unbelievable!" <GRIN> I have a few questions, the first regarding the usbradio.conf file and one of the configuration settings in that file. I see this explanation in the usbradio.conf.sample file. eeprom=1 ; 1 = Indicates that an EEPROM internal to the radio I see this setting in my usbradio.conf file. eeprom=0 ; unless you have a cable w/eeprom Is this talking about the URI FOB with the eeprom in it? Just got done with my install tonight and am using the URI FOB, should I change this setting from a 0 to a 1? Or is this setting for something else? Also, when you get done doing the radio tuning procedure as documented by Steve Henke in "The Asterisk with app_rpt Server Installation Process" (page 7), and you save the configuration by using the CLI command "radio tune save" , where does that file get saved to? The eeprom on the URI FOB? Or somewhere else? Just wondering. Thanks, for your help. Node 2067 is online and working great with the URI FOB and a Motorola M120 radio. I am having fun and learning. Marshall - ke6pcv ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:24:03 -0700 From: Stephen Rodgers <hwstar(a)rodgers.sdcoxmail.com> Subject: [App_rpt] Test message To: app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net. Message-ID: <47D9D3B3.3050101(a)rodgers.sdcoxmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This is a test ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 07:34:06 -0700 From: Stephen Rodgers <hwstar(a)rodgers.sdcoxmail.com> Subject: [App_rpt] Test message To: app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net. Message-ID: <47DA8CDE.7050904(a)rodgers.sdcoxmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Test message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:11:55 -0400 From: "Steve Totaro" <stotaro(a)totarotechnologies.com> Subject: Re: [App_rpt] SVN Checkout of New app_rpt, howto? To: "Asterisk Repeater Controler" <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> Message-ID: <ea18e54a0803180911h8e99bf2sb900c96d3aa80f08(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Steven (and list), Is there no way to make the new app_rpt work without using the ISO (for the new URI)? I understand that the ISO is the path of least resistance but there are some very serious security issues with FreePBX and who knows with a 3rd party customized ISO? I can post some known and working FreePBX exploits but I prefer to not make it that easy. My box is going to be on a routable IP (public) and I would prefer to have my own kernel, distro, no-FreePBX, and other security measures. In other words I want to lock it down as much as possible. Any advice? I don't really understand why I cannot just SVN co app_rpt and compile on an existing asterisk box. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Steven Henke <steve.w9sh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Steve, > Contact me at w9sh(a)arrl.net and I'll get in touch with you and take you > through the installation process. > 73, > Steve Henke > > > > On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:29 PM, Steve Totaro > <stotaro(a)totarotechnologies.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I am trying to checkout the newest trunk of app_rpt (I think this is > > the only source with the URI drivers?) > > > > Can anyone tell me what I am doing wrong? > > > > [root@localhost src]# svn co > > https://www.xelatec.com/viewvc/app_rpt/asterisk/trunk app_rpt > > svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/viewvc/app_rpt/asterisk/trunk' > > svn: PROPFIND of '/viewvc/app_rpt/asterisk/trunk': 302 Found > > (https://www.xelatec.com) > > > > Thanks, > > Steve Totaro > > _______________________________________________ > > App_rpt mailing list > > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt > > > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt mailing list > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 12:14:41 -0400 From: "Steve Totaro" <stotaro(a)totarotechnologies.com> Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Just Placed an order with DMK Engineering To: "Asterisk Repeater Controler" <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> Message-ID: <ea18e54a0803250914t3d1f2d95n697fa571e02bec32(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Just an update, a few days after receiving the URI, I got a second smaller package with the USB cables. I was impressed, most vendors cut costs buy not providing USB cables (I hate that). Another thumbs up for DMK. Thanks, Steve Totaro On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Steve Totaro <stotaro(a)totarotechnologies.com> wrote: > Just to give an update, I received my three URIs last Friday. The > packaging was great (and I even got a page from the LA Times ;-) > > The units are very well made and the labeling complete with pinout is > brilliant! No docs to lose or lookup. Overall, I am very impressed > with DMK (communication needs improvement as I said earlier) but I am > very happy at this point. > > Now to get these units into production. I will followup with more > details in a new post. > > Thanks, > Steve Totaro > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Steve Totaro > <stotaro(a)totarotechnologies.com> wrote: > > Thanks for giving me an update. I suggest you use some form of > > automation to keep your customers in the loop. I am pretty sure USPS > > does this as it is the norm for online stores and even small time Ebay > > shops (USPS, FedEx, UPS, DHL, Airbourne....) > > > > I appreciate the work you put in and as well as Dingotel, because > > without copying Dingotel, this product would most likely not be > > invented yet. (Sure hope they don't have a patent on it but they > > probably do or it was assigned to some other company because > > www.dingotel.com appears to be gone, well that is an totally different > > issue...) > > > > Thanks again, I will give feedback on the list ASAP > > Steve Totaro > > > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 7:39 PM, David Kramer <dkramer(a)dmkeng.com> wrote: > > > Hi Steve, > > > > > > Your order for 3 URI's shipped yesterday via insured USPS Priority Mail. In > > > the future we will try to do a better job of sending out confirmation > > > emails. Thank you for the suggestion. > > > > > > Regarding your comment about ~$10 modified FOBs... if you can use one of > > > these I encourage you to do so. It will certainly save you money. You > > > should know the differences however between those devices and URI. > > > > > > First of all, the FOBs are made in gazillion quantities which helps drive > > > the cost down. We built an initial batch of 100 URIs so we don't have quite > > > the same magnitude scale. Secondly, the cheapo FOBs consist of a sound > > > chip, a plastic housing, connectors and not much else. In order to make it > > > work with Asterisk/app_rpt you have to attach a few components to some very > > > tiny surface mount pins, something not easy to do. Here is what URI > > > provides that you don't get with the FOBs: > > > > > > RF filtering on all I/Os > > > 3-pole high-fidelity low-pass active filters on both audio outputs with > > > connections for AC or DC coupling > > > Optional high output drive capability 2X gain amplifier > > > AC and DC coupled options for audio in > > > Provisions for connector-mounted EEPROM intended for storing configuration > > > data > > > Circuitry for PTT, CTCSS, and COR connections > > > 3 user programmable I/Os > > > RoHS compliant product > > > USB cable > > > > > > In 100 piece quantities, the components alone cost more than twice what a > > > single USB audio FOB costs from geeks.com. That doesn't include the bare PC > > > board, component assembly labor, housing, machining, final assembly, and > > > test. Each URI must pass an extensive array of tests. If one of the filter > > > capacitors is just slightly out of tolerance the unit is rejected. > > > > > > When all is said and done DMK makes only a few dollars profit on each URI > > > sold. This also does not take into account the initial product design and > > > development, first revision beta units that were given away for evaluation, > > > or any of the setup and tooling charges that were incurred. > > > > > > I state this not to garner sympathy, but to let you know that we offer URIs > > > to the amateur community at a price that benefits the community far more > > > than it enriches us. I wish you success with your project. > > > > > > David Kramer > > > DMK Engineering Inc. > > > 310-544-1222 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: app_rpt-bounces(a)lists.illiana.net > > > [mailto:app_rpt-bounces@lists.illiana.net]On Behalf Of Steve Totaro > > > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 10:49 AM > > > To: Asterisk Repeater Controler > > > Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Just Placed an order with DMK Engineering > > > > > > My question is how long does it take to ship and arrive? Are these > > > things made to order? (on the slow boat from China). Seems like I > > > have been waiting too long and absolutely no communication. > > > > > > I ordered three on March 3rd. The only email I got was a receipt from > > > PayPal. No order confirmation or shipping information. > > > > > > For paying $14.95 for shipping I would expect UPS 3day or grounds and > > > a tracking number the same or next day of the order. > > > > > > $209.85 for 3x ~$10 modified FOBs, there enough markup room for a > > > little customer support I think. > > > > > > Payment Details > > > Item Price: $209.85 USD > > > Total: $224.80 USD > > > Buyer: steve totaro > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Steve Totaro > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Nevada Amateur Radio Repeaters, Inc. > > > <w7aor(a)narri.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just Placed an order with DMK Engineering. Where are instructions found? > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > App_rpt mailing list > > > > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > > > > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > App_rpt mailing list > > > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > > > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > App_rpt mailing list > > > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > > > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2008 14:05:16 -0400 From: "Steve Totaro" <stotaro(a)totarotechnologies.com> Subject: [App_rpt] Getting New app_rpt in Asterisk Trunk To: "Asterisk Repeater Controler" <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> Message-ID: <ea18e54a0804051105t5a39de41x2bf158c4501bc1b0(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there a reason why the new app_rpt (with URI support) is not being merged with Digium's trunk? Maybe asteriskadd-ons if there are licensing issues? BTW, thanks for fixing the SVN checkout so the source can be obtained without hacking the upgrade scripts. Off Topic, but is there a cheap db25 to db25 that allows pinouts to be changed by either opening the unit and screwing down wires or something else. I found one for like $50 which is way too much but it allows you to just use jumper wires on the outside of the unit and then there is a plastic cover that goes over the connections. I want something sturdy and good semi-outdoor use (shack) Thanks, Steve Totaro KB3OPB ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:41:43 -0400 From: "Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE" <wa4zlw(a)backwoodswireless.net> Subject: [App_rpt] audio setup issues with USB FOBs To: app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net Message-ID: <47FE5157.9090105(a)backwoodswireless.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Hi there? We purchased a few of the DMK USB FOBs awhile back after homebrewing a few. When I was down in Virginia at company HQ last month, I spent a few nights trying to make this work to no avail. We have an old IFR service monitor which I was using to generate tones and such. We?re using an Icom commercial repeater IC-FR3000/4000. The Icom has no internal controls for rx or txaudio that I can find (documentation is very slim). Basically, rxtune doesn't want to work with the audio coming off the Icom repeater discriminator. I did not try deemphasized audio as I want to keep everything flat. In looking through some of the old posts we are seeing similar results whereby rxtune doesn?t see anything. But oddly enough, if I used the HT to generate DTMF tones, the * box would detect them. The transmitted audio I could not get more than 2 or 2.5 kHz deviation with the audio coming out of the * box. As a side note, when we were using the homebrew USB FOBs we had louder digitally generated audio (didn?t have the service monitor then) than repeated audio. Got any ideas to try? Thanks leon wa4zlw ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 21:25:39 -0400 From: "Steven Henke" <steve.w9sh(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [App_rpt] audio setup issues with USB FOBs To: wa4zlw(a)arrl.net, "Asterisk Repeater Controler" <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> Message-ID: <e2ed85230804101825v52873c77ta4f5c74f37708383(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Leon, Sounds like the flat output may be flat but only through 3 KHz and not up to 10 KHz where the noise is for carrier squelch. The way to figure this out is to sample the audio through the USB adapter into a utility like Audacity and use its FFT to see what the noise spectrum looks like. I'd be glad to help you do this by logging in, capturing the signal and transfering to my lab for analysis. I can take the results and come up with a configuration setting that will work for you. Just let me know what you want to do. 73, Steve Henke, W9SH On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE < wa4zlw(a)backwoodswireless.net> wrote: > Hi there? > > We purchased a few of the DMK USB FOBs awhile back after homebrewing a > few. > > When I was down in Virginia at company HQ last month, I spent a few > nights trying to make this work to no avail. We have an old IFR service > monitor which I was using to generate tones and such. We're using an > Icom commercial repeater IC-FR3000/4000. The Icom has no internal > controls for rx or txaudio that I can find (documentation is very slim). > > Basically, rxtune doesn't want to work with the audio coming off the > Icom repeater discriminator. I did not try deemphasized audio as I want > to keep everything flat. In looking through some of the old posts we are > seeing similar results whereby rxtune doesn't see anything. > > But oddly enough, if I used the HT to generate DTMF tones, the * box > would detect them. The transmitted audio I could not get more than 2 or > 2.5 kHz deviation with the audio coming out of the * box. > > As a side note, when we were using the homebrew USB FOBs we had louder > digitally generated audio (didn't have the service monitor then) than > repeated audio. > > Got any ideas to try? > > Thanks leon wa4zlw > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt mailing list > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt >

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[App_rpt] [Fwd: RE: audio setup issues with USB FOBs]
by Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE 11 Apr '08

11 Apr '08

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: RE: [App_rpt] audio setup issues with USB FOBs Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:06:20 -0400 From: Leon Zetekoff <Leon.Zetekoff(a)mybluemont.com> To: Asterisk Repeater Controler <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net>, "wa4zlw(a)arrl.net" <wa4zlw(a)arrl.net> References: <47FE5157.9090105(a)backwoodswireless.net> <e2ed85230804101825v52873c77ta4f5c74f37708383(a)mail.gmail.com> Hi Steve…that sounds great. My boss is out of town until Wednesday next week and I’m trying to get the logon info for you. I think the repeater is turned off so we’ll have to get it turned on if we do this before he gets back. I did hook up the COS line from the Icom as well. I didn’t have a scope with me when I was down there a few weeks ago. Next time I go down I’ll have to see if I can find it (it was in storage I think last I knew). Will keep you posted. Thanks leon ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* app_rpt-bounces(a)lists.illiana.net [mailto:app_rpt-bounces@lists.illiana.net] *On Behalf Of *Steven Henke *Sent:* Thursday, April 10, 2008 9:26 PM *To:* wa4zlw(a)arrl.net; Asterisk Repeater Controler *Subject:* Re: [App_rpt] audio setup issues with USB FOBs Leon, Sounds like the flat output may be flat but only through 3 KHz and not up to 10 KHz where the noise is for carrier squelch. The way to figure this out is to sample the audio through the USB adapter into a utility like Audacity and use its FFT to see what the noise spectrum looks like. I'd be glad to help you do this by logging in, capturing the signal and transfering to my lab for analysis. I can take the results and come up with a configuration setting that will work for you. Just let me know what you want to do. 73, Steve Henke, W9SH On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff, NCE <wa4zlw(a)backwoodswireless.net <mailto:wa4zlw@backwoodswireless.net>> wrote: Hi there… We purchased a few of the DMK USB FOBs awhile back after homebrewing a few. When I was down in Virginia at company HQ last month, I spent a few nights trying to make this work to no avail. We have an old IFR service monitor which I was using to generate tones and such. We're using an Icom commercial repeater IC-FR3000/4000. The Icom has no internal controls for rx or txaudio that I can find (documentation is very slim). Basically, rxtune doesn't want to work with the audio coming off the Icom repeater discriminator. I did not try deemphasized audio as I want to keep everything flat. In looking through some of the old posts we are seeing similar results whereby rxtune doesn't see anything. But oddly enough, if I used the HT to generate DTMF tones, the * box would detect them. The transmitted audio I could not get more than 2 or 2.5 kHz deviation with the audio coming out of the * box. As a side note, when we were using the homebrew USB FOBs we had louder digitally generated audio (didn't have the service monitor then) than repeated audio. Got any ideas to try? Thanks leon wa4zlw _______________________________________________ App_rpt mailing list App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net <mailto:App_rpt@lists.illiana.net> http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt

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[App_rpt] Getting New app_rpt in Asterisk Trunk
by Steve Totaro 05 Apr '08

05 Apr '08

Is there a reason why the new app_rpt (with URI support) is not being merged with Digium's trunk? Maybe asteriskadd-ons if there are licensing issues? BTW, thanks for fixing the SVN checkout so the source can be obtained without hacking the upgrade scripts. Off Topic, but is there a cheap db25 to db25 that allows pinouts to be changed by either opening the unit and screwing down wires or something else. I found one for like $50 which is way too much but it allows you to just use jumper wires on the outside of the unit and then there is a plastic cover that goes over the connections. I want something sturdy and good semi-outdoor use (shack) Thanks, Steve Totaro KB3OPB

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