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Re: [App_rpt-users] Something is rotten in the state of Denmark
by Pierre Martel 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

Goerge, if you take a look at the receiver part of the mrs 2000 you will see that it connect to the back plane by a connector, those connection then goes to various part of the repeater for filtering and tone detection on vairous different cards.. I take the audio signal directly from pin 5 of the receiver board. I dont see any filtering on the reciver board. In fact from the service manual that you can find here (for the vhf receiver) http://www.repeater-builder.com/motorola/msr2000/pdfs/vhf-msr2000-receiver.… on page 7 there is a block diagram of the receiver and we can easily see that there is no audio limitting and or filtering at all on the board. Nad the leevl that I can see on my scope is pretty close to 250 mv as stated on the service manual.. I think that the trouble is with my settings.. I am working on the 28739 node. here is my usbradio.conf file [general] [usb27821] hdwtype=0 rxboost=1 txboost=1 rxctcssrelax=1 txctcssdefault=103.5 rxctcssfreqs=103.5 txctcssfreqs=103.5 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=no txmixa=composite txmixb=composite invertptt=0 duplex=0 rxondelay=1 rxnoisefiltype=0 eeprom=1 [usb28739] hdwtype=0 rxboost=0 txboost=0 rxctcssrelax=0 txctcssdefault=103.5 rxctcssfreqs=103.5 txctcssfreqs=103.5 ;rxctcssoverride=0 carrierfrom=dsp ctcssfrom=dsp rxdemod=flat txprelim=yes txlimonly=no txtoctype=no txmixa=composite txmixb=composite invertptt=0 duplex=1 rxondelay=0 rxnoisefiltype=1 eeprom=1 I did not touch the 27821 one since I put it down to use one main controler not a machine connected to port 3 of our rc210, so I know its not ok.. when i try to tune the base noise.... ve2mrc*CLI> radio active usb28739 Active (command) USB Radio device set to [usb28739] ve2mrc*CLI> radio tune rxnoise tune rxnoise maxtries=12, target=27000, tolerance=2750 tries=0, setting=2, meas=1754 tries=1, setting=16, meas=16505 tries=2, setting=16, meas=17517 tries=3, setting=16, meas=15942 tries=4, setting=16, meas=15816 tries=5, setting=16, meas=16604 tries=6, setting=16, meas=17943 tries=7, setting=16, meas=17805 tries=8, setting=16, meas=15489 tries=9, setting=16, meas=18234 tries=10, setting=16, meas=16747 tries=11, setting=16, meas=17647 DONE tries=12, setting=1000, meas=17647, sqnoise=5040 ERROR: RX INPUT ADJUST FAILED. then I set rxtone and rx voice. but I have a long tail of noise (about 500 ms) before it stop then I have no sound and the courtesy tone.. I never saved my settings before making test, would that be the problem? do i need to save the settings every time I adjust the system so that the settings are used in my test? From: George Csahanin Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 2:33 AM To: Pierre Martel Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Something is rotten in the state of Denmark Pierre, are you sure that you are getting wideband noise to the usb device? Before de-emphasis? I am looking at a manual for a MSR2000 and it shows a "variable gain amplifier (U1) which feeds the squalch detector, but alsdo feeds a low pass filter on its way to the noise gate and also feeds a de-emphasis network (U2). Any audio after that cannot have enough hi frequency component to make the setup for tune rxnoise work properly, which will not let the squelch work properly. The long squelch tail you refer to is usbradio not having its squelch set properly. And that cannot be done without wide band noise in. The result would never have enough hi freq noise at the uri to actually squelch the radio. What is eventually kmuting it is the end of input PL tone... Just my thoughts, but I have never had my hands on a MSR2000. I own one, just haven't received it yet. GeorgeC W2DB 2360 ----- Original Message ----- From: Pierre Martel To: APP RPT Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:38 PM Subject: [App_rpt-users] Something is rotten in the state of Denmark Got that phrase in the head, and could not find a good title for the mail ;-) Ok Here I am again. Still with my project to have a full App_rpt controler for my 2 repeater system. I manage to have our msr 2000 in the shack today cause the exiter is giving us some trouble. so I said, lets fix the exiter AND plug in the URI so that I wont have to do this on site. exiter is ok, well for now... So I connect the URI pin 22 (mic AC) to pin 5 of the receiver inside the msr2000, why 22 there is a big dc bias at this place so uning the mic dc would nt be wise, I beleive.. now I go to the computer set active radio usb 28739 now I do radio tune rxnoise.. It fail. there is at leat 200 mv of audio there. changed rxboosst in usbradio.conf for that node, reload, no difference. still did the radio tune rxvoice and rxtone. then tested without saving , I have a big white noise at the end of every receiption before the coutesy tone.. what Am I doing wrong?

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Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements
by Jim W7RY 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

A voice announcement providing information about the repeater (callsign, PL tone, etc.) would fit as permissible one-way communications. That some would still call a "beacon." Some would call a beacon? Sounds like an interpretation of the rules by someone. Perhaps you? 73 Jim W7RY From: ALERTradio ERC | N0PCO Sent: Friday, March 29, 2013 9:02 AM To: Jim W7RY Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements On 03/29/2013 09:57 AM, Jim W7RY wrote: Please point me to the part 97 rules that state beaconing is illegal. 73 Jim W7RY § 97.203 Beacon station. (a) Any amateur station licensed to a holder of a Technician, General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be a beacon. A holder of a Technician, General, Advanced or Amateur Extra Class operator license may be the control operator of a beacon, subject to the privileges of the class of operator license held. (b) A beacon must not concurrently transmit on more than 1 channel in the same amateur service frequency band, from the same station location. (c) The transmitter power of a beacon must not exceed 100 W. (d) A beacon may be automatically controlled while it is transmitting on the 28.20–28.30 MHz, 50.06–50.08 MHz, 144.275–144.300 MHz, 222.05–222.06 MHz or 432.300–432.400 MHz segments, or on the 33 cm and shorter wavelength bands. Another one of those yes but no situation courtesy of the FCC. Since the beacon is automatically controlled announcing the availability of the repeater / link and in most cases the repeater / link is not operating on a frequency within the groups listed under 97.203(d) the beacon would not be legal. 97.111(b) would be a good place to check regarding one-way communications (b) In addition to one-way transmissions specifically authorized elsewhere in this part, an amateur station may transmit the following types of one-way communications: (1) Brief transmissions necessary to make adjustments to the station; (2) Brief transmissions necessary to establishing two-way communications with other stations; (3) Telecommand; (4) Transmissions necessary to providing emergency communications; (5) Transmissions necessary to assisting persons learning, or improving proficiency in, the international Morse code; and (6) Transmissions necessary to disseminate information bulletins. (7) Transmissions of telemetry. A voice announcement providing information about the repeater (callsign, PL tone, etc.) would fit as permissible one-way communications. That some would still call a "beacon." Then going back to 97.203(d) if the same were to be done with CW it would not be permissible unless there was already traffic on the repeater then it would just be a plain old identification. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- They like to make the rules complicated so they can make more money off of people when Major Whoops shows up. Have a great day. Mars - N0PCO ALERTradio ERC Technology resources for public safety. www.alertradio.net | www.asteriskradio.net | www.darnsimple.net DARN SIMPLE Telecom going beyond just static. telecom.darnsimple.net

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How to turn on AllStar ID Requirements
by George Zolla 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

I am new to AllStar but I have great little home AllStar node with a simplex base station radio set at 5 Watts. No one else has ever connected and i ti meant just for my use. As such I do not send out a station ID at regular intervals. Now I am helping a friend set up an AllStar site that will be used initially by an ARC then hopefully will get even wider use. At present we are using a simplex base station radio at 25 watts. One of the club members has suggested that we need to be sending out an ID every 10 minutes while the station is being used. Is this correct? If so, how would I trigger that in AllStar? I have looked pretty closely at the rpt.conf file and have read throughout he documentation. I doubt that we want to turn on the beaconing. All other lines of code concerning links and morse code are are still at the default settings. Is there a line of code I need to uncomment or add to enable this feature? Thanks of your help! George, K6GAZ

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Problem getting on AllStar
by James Williams 29 Mar '13

29 Mar '13

I have Acid loaded on desktop pc and shows up on allstar webpage ok. I have the DMK interface & cable for ft7800. I am at standstill and not know what to do next.Any input welcome..de KB3KVA Santford, Frederick,MD

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Something is rotten in the state of Denmark
by Pierre Martel 28 Mar '13

28 Mar '13

Got that phrase in the head, and could not find a good title for the mail ;-) Ok Here I am again. Still with my project to have a full App_rpt controler for my 2 repeater system. I manage to have our msr 2000 in the shack today cause the exiter is giving us some trouble. so I said, lets fix the exiter AND plug in the URI so that I wont have to do this on site. exiter is ok, well for now... So I connect the URI pin 22 (mic AC) to pin 5 of the receiver inside the msr2000, why 22 there is a big dc bias at this place so uning the mic dc would nt be wise, I beleive.. now I go to the computer set active radio usb 28739 now I do radio tune rxnoise.. It fail. there is at leat 200 mv of audio there. changed rxboosst in usbradio.conf for that node, reload, no difference. still did the radio tune rxvoice and rxtone. then tested without saving , I have a big white noise at the end of every receiption before the coutesy tone.. what Am I doing wrong?

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Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 49, Issue 59
by James Williams 28 Mar '13

28 Mar '13

I have Acid loaded on desktop pc and shows up on allstar webpage ok. I have the DMK interface & cable for ft7800. I am at standstill and not know what to do next.Any input welcome..de KB3KVA Santford, Frederick,MD On Mar 28, 2013 12:00 PM, <app_rpt-users-request(a)ohnosec.org> wrote: > Send App_rpt-users mailing list submissions to > app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > app_rpt-users-request(a)ohnosec.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > app_rpt-users-owner(a)ohnosec.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of App_rpt-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Allstar RPi (Anthony Percy) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2013 00:08:16 +1100 > From: Anthony Percy <anthcp(a)gmail.com> > To: davek <davidkierz(a)gmail.com> > Cc: app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RPi > Message-ID: <760FEE2F-060C-4583-9B32-B55799BAE318(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Hi Peter, > Which kernel are you referring to?? > We already have Allstar running on arch Linux 3.x. Indeed vk2rcz has been > running non stop since jan on the modified code.... > The main hack was to modify the Zaptel kernel drivers to get it to work on > linux 3.x. > I have put the x86 and arm modified Allstar svn code for that on githib, > search for arch-Allstar if that is what you need.... > I am in the process of packaging the Allstar Zaptel drivers to make it > easier to install... > > Regards > > Anthony VK2ACP > > On 28/03/2013, at 7:17 PM, davek <davidkierz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > if you get the source to compile for a newer kernel on ARM email me. I > tried tackling this a while back with no success > > good luck > > > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Anthony Percy <anthcp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hi Peter, > >> Day job has got in the way at the moment! The pi seems to work on with > the imic USB fob but I need to build a simple interface for the pi to > connect to our 2m repeater vk2rcz. Of course it will also need a ctcss > decoder as well as its not fast enough to use the dsp routines to do that, > >> Anyway I am still planning on hooking it up for testing to vk2rcz soon.. > >> I am also testing out the odroid x2 / U2 board as I think it will run > all of the Allstate software using the cm109 based DMK USB sound card we > currently use. The X2 runs at 1.7ghz with 2gb memory and the U2 is on par > price wise with the pi... > >> I will email you when I have tested it > >> > >> Regards > >> Anthony VK2ACP > >> > >> On 27/03/2013, at 9:01 PM, Peter Watkins <vk3tkk(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > >> > >>> Hi Anthony, > >>> > >>> I'm interested to learn how the Allstar/RPi is progressing. I've > become particularly interested in how these devices can be deployed, given > the low power associated in running them. > >>> > >>> Cheers and 73 Peter VK3TKK > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> App_rpt-users mailing list > >> App_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org > >> http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > >

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Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RPi
by Anthony Percy 28 Mar '13

28 Mar '13

Hi Peter, Which kernel are you referring to?? We already have Allstar running on arch Linux 3.x. Indeed vk2rcz has been running non stop since jan on the modified code.... The main hack was to modify the Zaptel kernel drivers to get it to work on linux 3.x. I have put the x86 and arm modified Allstar svn code for that on githib, search for arch-Allstar if that is what you need.... I am in the process of packaging the Allstar Zaptel drivers to make it easier to install... Regards Anthony VK2ACP On 28/03/2013, at 7:17 PM, davek <davidkierz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > if you get the source to compile for a newer kernel on ARM email me. I tried tackling this a while back with no success > good luck > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 4:14 AM, Anthony Percy <anthcp(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Hi Peter, >> Day job has got in the way at the moment! The pi seems to work on with the imic USB fob but I need to build a simple interface for the pi to connect to our 2m repeater vk2rcz. Of course it will also need a ctcss decoder as well as its not fast enough to use the dsp routines to do that, >> Anyway I am still planning on hooking it up for testing to vk2rcz soon.. >> I am also testing out the odroid x2 / U2 board as I think it will run all of the Allstate software using the cm109 based DMK USB sound card we currently use. The X2 runs at 1.7ghz with 2gb memory and the U2 is on par price wise with the pi... >> I will email you when I have tested it >> >> Regards >> Anthony VK2ACP >> >> On 27/03/2013, at 9:01 PM, Peter Watkins <vk3tkk(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: >> >>> Hi Anthony, >>> >>> I'm interested to learn how the Allstar/RPi is progressing. I've become particularly interested in how these devices can be deployed, given the low power associated in running them. >>> >>> Cheers and 73 Peter VK3TKK >> >> _______________________________________________ >> App_rpt-users mailing list >> App_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org >> http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users >

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Re: [App_rpt-users] Allstar RPi
by Anthony Percy 28 Mar '13

28 Mar '13

Hi Peter, Day job has got in the way at the moment! The pi seems to work on with the imic USB fob but I need to build a simple interface for the pi to connect to our 2m repeater vk2rcz. Of course it will also need a ctcss decoder as well as its not fast enough to use the dsp routines to do that, Anyway I am still planning on hooking it up for testing to vk2rcz soon.. I am also testing out the odroid x2 / U2 board as I think it will run all of the Allstate software using the cm109 based DMK USB sound card we currently use. The X2 runs at 1.7ghz with 2gb memory and the U2 is on par price wise with the pi... I will email you when I have tested it Regards Anthony VK2ACP On 27/03/2013, at 9:01 PM, Peter Watkins <vk3tkk(a)yahoo.com.au> wrote: > Hi Anthony, > > I'm interested to learn how the Allstar/RPi is progressing. I've become particularly interested in how these devices can be deployed, given the low power associated in running them. > > Cheers and 73 Peter VK3TKK

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Re : Re: Motorola gm300
by pete M 27 Mar '13

27 Mar '13

Its been a plasure . But I did not do much ;-) -----Original Message----- From: barbagris Sent: 26 Mar 2013 21:03:11 GMT To: pete M Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Motorola gm300 Hi Pete. It seems that I have managed to configure the motorola and it works all ok. Thank you very much for everything. John EA2BKH ----- Original Message ----- From: pete M To: barbagris Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 6:36 PM Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Motorola gm300 why use a COS when the software will detect by DSP if there is a valid signal. If you provide un squelched desciminator audio to the URI... and use usbradio.. From: barbagris Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2013 12:58 PM To: app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] Motorola gm300 Hello to everyone s. I have a motorola GM300, lacks COS settings. I have the ptogramador, but I did not clarify very well in that section should I do to activate the COS and running. thank you very much John EA2BKH ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

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Connecting to Nodes
by Orland Lopez 26 Mar '13

26 Mar '13

Hi there folks, I have a nagging questions an I could not find the answer in the email archives. How in the world I connect to other nodes be it allstar or Echolink using asterisk CLI. Believe me I have tried doing it by typing the rpt fun and rpt cmd options but it will not connect. I currently have an HT with no dtmf pad so I must do it while connected remotely or in front of the PC. I type the commands in the interface but it fails to connect. Do I need to define them in rpt.conf as in ilink method? or what, Please help. -- Gracias y 73's Hasta la Vista KI6LNX aka YN1OB

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