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[App_rpt] app_rpt setup and requirements.
by Eric Fort 13 Oct '06

13 Oct '06

Hopefully those on the list can answer a few questions about getting app_rpt setup and what is really required. 1. why is the arib needed and what exactly does it do? 2. Why do I need 2 fxs ports for full duplex operation? my phone is full duplex when plugged into the same port why can't the audio for the radio be? Come to think of it I can buy a little phone with a headset jack for next to nothing and have seperate tx (mike) and rx (speaker) audio. this just takes a 2 to 4 wire hybrid common to most phones. why do I need the arib at all? 3. Why do I need the arib at all? 4. is the rbi-1 really needed? what function does it serve? I've seen mention of using an ft-897 directly without it. How is this done? why hf only for the 897 when the 897 covers hf, 6m, 2m, and 440? 5. what about interfacing other radios used for repeaters such as micor, maxtrack, etc. Thanks, Eric - kg6kqt

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[App_rpt] Advisory: Changing the courtesy tones
by Steve Rodgers 11 Oct '06

11 Oct '06

Advisory To change the courtesy tones from defaults it is necessary to have a telemetry=telemetry statement defined in each node configuration block in rpt.conf The default configuration files distributed with asterisk DO NOT have this statement in them. If the statement is left out, the courtesy tone lists in rpt.conf in the telemetry section will never be read in, and the defulat settings in app_rpt.c will always be used. Steve. ---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: RE: Test results - Found the problem? Date: Tuesday 10 October 2006 20:38 From: "Gary" <gary(a)tcomeng.com> To: "'Steve Rodgers'" <hwstar(a)rodgers.sdcoxmail.com> By looking at the code you referenced I discovered the possible need for a 'telemetry = telemetry' statement in the node definition. As soon as I added that line the tones changed from default to the ones defined in the config file. I am going to assume this was the problem and it is supposed to work that way so you can define different telemetry for each node? FYI my sample config did not have that line in it and there is no reference I have found indicating it is required. Thanks for your help. Gary > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Rodgers [mailto:hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com] > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 7:30 PM > To: Gary > Cc: telesistant(a)hotmail.com > Subject: Re: Test results > > Gary, > > If you don't mind trying your hand at a little programming > and "foop/feep" > debugging, maybe a few judicious ast_log(LOG_WARNING, > "foop"); statements > might tell what is going on with app_rpt on your system. Save > a copy of the > app_rpt_055_pre.c file first so that you have something to go > back to. > > > Adding an ast_log(LOG_WARNING,"foop"); between line 2301 and > 2302 will tell > you if the [telemetry] block was found in the config file. > > Adding an ast_log(LOG_WARNING,"feep"); between line 2312 and 2313 of > app_rpt_055_pre.c will tell you whether the telemetry entry > in the file is > being loaded or the default value was taken instead. > > The function telem_lookup() is called whenever a telemetry > event is occuring. > You should see both foop and feep on the Asterisk console > every time you unkey > if the entries in the file are being used > > Steve. > > On Tuesday 10 October 2006 18:41, you wrote: > > FYI, I tried it on a third node and it does the same thing. > > I can select any app_rpt.c pre-defined tone set, but cannot > > define a new > > > tone set via rpt.conf. > > > > This is not a big problem as I will just change app_rpt.c > > to the tones I > > > want to use. > > > > Gary > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Steve Rodgers [mailto:hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2006 6:55 AM > > > To: Gary > > > Cc: telesistant(a)hotmail.com > > > Subject: Re: Test results > > > > > > > > > Gary, > > > > > > Please try this version of app_rpt.c and let me know what the > > > results are? > > > This is the version I did the CT test on my system with. > > > Also, could you > > > tell me what version you are running on your system? > > > > > > BTW: I'm also using asterisk 1.2.11 as well. > > > > > > > > > Steve, WA6ZFT > > > > > > On Monday 09 October 2006 22:41, you wrote: > > > > Test results are consistant. > > > > > > > > I have two nodes and they both exhibit the same results. > > > > > > Both built from > > > > > > > the same source files. Could I have bad source? I am using > > > > > > asterisk 1.2.11 > > > > > > > if that matters. > > > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Steve Rodgers [mailto:hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com] > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:09 PM > > > > > To: Gary > > > > > Subject: Re: Quad PCI pricing? > > > > > > > > > > Gary, see my responses below: > > > > > > > > > > On Monday 09 October 2006 21:07, you wrote: > > > > > > Can you let me know what the Ham pricing is on the Quad > > > > > > PCI cards? > > > > > > > > The ham discount is 35% from the list price of $895.00 or > > > > > $581.75 plus $20.00 > > > > > shipping and handling. > > > > > > > > > > > Please confirm this board is required for controlling the > > > > > > > > > > Yasue FT897 radio > > > > > > > > > > > and that a PC serial port is not supported? > > > > > > > > > > The currently released app_rpt.c does not support PC serial > > > > > port for FT897 > > > > > control. The "bleeding edge" version as we call it, does > > > > > support sending > > > > > commands to the FT897 over a PC serial port, but it is not > > > > > ready for general > > > > > release as we speak at this moment. > > > > > > > > > > If you don't mind a 'rough' version, wait a few days and it > > > > > will be in a form > > > > > we can give out for testing. > > > > > > > > > > Also, regarding the problems with the CT telemetry: > > > > > > > > > > Would you mind going back to the default config file trying > > > > > it tout, then > > > > > trying to modify a courtesy tone setting to see if that fixes > > > > > your courtesy > > > > > tone issue? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Steve. -------------------------------------------------------

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[App_rpt] Fwd: Re: Telemetry tones change?
by Steve Rodgers 10 Oct '06

10 Oct '06

---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Telemetry tones change? Date: Monday 09 October 2006 19:13 From: Steve Rodgers <hwstar(a)rodgers.sdcoxmail.com> To: pcfrover(a)tcomeng.com Gary, I just tested this on my system, and it works as advertised I can switch these two statements in rpt.conf: ;remotetx=|t(1633,0,50,3000)(0,0,80,0)(1209,0,50,3000); remotetx=|t(2000,0,50,3000)(0,0,80,0)(1000,0,50,3000); Restarting asterisk or doing "rpt reload" after changing the lines above will cause the remotetx courtesy tone to change. Could you be confused about the function of the remoterx and remotemon courtesy tones defined in the telemetry block? The remotetx courtesy tone is that courtesy tone which is sent when an internet link to a node (remote base or repeater) is connected in trancieve to a remote node on the node you are coming in on from the radio. The remotemon courtesy tone is that courtesy tone which is sent when an internet link to a (remote base or repeater) is connected in monitor to a remote node on the node you are coming in on from the radio. The repeater courtesy tone to play when unlinked (no repeaters or remote linked) is determined by the unlinkedct setting in the node configuration block. This is set to point to ct1 in the default rpt.conf configuration file. It can be set to point to any courtesy tone defined in the telemetry block. Finally, there is one last courtesy tone which is used only for the remote base when it is in tranceive mode and is played following the remotetx courtesy tone when there is a remote base connected to the node you are coming in on AND it is in tranceive mode. This is the remotect setting in the node configuration block. This is set to point to ct3 in the default rpt.conf configuration file. It can be set to point to any courtesy tone defined in the telemetry block. There are no other courtesy tones for the remote base which can be changed in the latest version of app_rpt.c Hope this clears up any confusion. Steve WA6ZFT On Monday 09 October 2006 16:47, Gary Young wrote: > Remotetx is the one I wanted to change. > > The only way I can make a change is to change the tone definitions in > app_rpt.c, then make a new install, then put the same new tone definitions > in the rpt.conf file, and it will work. > > Way to much work... Why are there tone definitions in rpt.conf if they > don't change anything? > > Any other way I tried it gives me NO tones. > > What do you mean by ct1? Can't I select the unlinked ct by using this > statement? > > unlinkedct = ct4 > > > Gary > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: hwstar(a)rodgers.sdcoxmail.com > > [mailto:hwstar@rodgers.sdcoxmail.com] > > Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 11:49 AM > > To: pcfrover(a)tcomeng.com > > Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Telemetry tones change? > > > > Gary, > > > > Which tones did you change? CT1, remotetx, and remotemon are > > the only ones relevant at this point. > > > > > From: "Gary Young" <pcfrover(a)tcomeng.com> > > > Date: 2006/10/09 Mon AM 11:26:19 PDT > > > To: "'Asterisk Repeater Controler'" <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> > > > Subject: [App_rpt] Telemetry tones change? > > > > > > Is it true that in order to change the frequencies of the > > > > telemetry tones, I > > > > > have to change them in app_rpt.c then re-make asterisk? > > > > > > Changing the tone frequency definitions in rpt.conf did > > > > nothing even after > > > > > an asterisk restart. > > > > > > Gary > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > App_rpt mailing list > > > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > > > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt -------------------------------------------------------

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[App_rpt] Asterisk-GSM
by AL MUTAAHED Fadi 21 Sep '06

21 Sep '06

Hello within the framework of my project of diploma, I must realize a connection wireless between a GSM's mobile and asterisk via WLAN or Bluetooth... for this i must program the mobile so that it detects the Wlan or Blutooth network and to be recorded on asterisk to receive calls from asterisk and via wlan/bluetooth detected. Do you have an idea how I must proceed to achieve this goal? can I realize this project with app_rpt?? I found little inormations about Miax( Mobile iax). I think Miax must undoubtedly facilitate my project!!! Which are the necessary configurations (for asterisk) for a wireless connection between a gsm's mobile and Asterisk? Thank you infinitely for your supports. My mail : shlagiateur(a)yahoo.fr --------------------------------- Découvrez un nouveau moyen de poser toutes vos questions quelque soit le sujet ! Yahoo! Questions/Réponses pour partager vos connaissances, vos opinions et vos expériences. Cliquez ici.

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Re: [App_rpt] Echolink & IRLP
by hwstar＠rodgers.sdcoxmail.com 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

Echolink and IRLP are usually not set up to be full duplex, and are definitely not full duplex if used through a reflector. An autopatch cannot be used on anything but a full duplex system for obvious reasons. The lack of autopatching and limited full duplex support in echoling and IRLP was one of the reasons we wrote app_rpt. There is no digital bridge written to bridge app_rpt, and echolink and IRLP, and due to these reasons we don't see the point in writing one. Steve. > > From: "David Craig" <kf4fwo(a)gmail.com> > Date: 2006/08/03 Thu PM 02:51:43 PDT > To: "Asterisk Repeater Controler" <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> > Subject: [App_rpt] Echolink & IRLP > > This will just be my day to ask dumb questions. Even though it is not > widely accepted there are ways to cross connect IRLP & Echolink. Has > anyone made a way to interface Asterisk to Echolink or IRLP. This > could be used in emergency but I'm also thinking about a VOIP phone > patch via Echolink. > > Example you are in an area that has an functioning Echolink node but > no phone patch you connect to a remote node that cross the connection > to Asterisk and then gives you dial tone. > > Does that make any since? > > Thanks, > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt mailing list > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt >

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[App_rpt] Echolink & IRLP
by David Craig 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

This will just be my day to ask dumb questions. Even though it is not widely accepted there are ways to cross connect IRLP & Echolink. Has anyone made a way to interface Asterisk to Echolink or IRLP. This could be used in emergency but I'm also thinking about a VOIP phone patch via Echolink. Example you are in an area that has an functioning Echolink node but no phone patch you connect to a remote node that cross the connection to Asterisk and then gives you dial tone. Does that make any since? Thanks,

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[App_rpt] Asterisk Phone Patch
by David Craig 03 Aug '06

03 Aug '06

I'm sure this is a dumb question but is there a PTT function for connecting VOIP based switched calls to radio network. Like with some commercial systems you press the * key for PTT or some use VOX. I guess my question is has anyone tackled the phone to radio patch with Asterisk?

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[App_rpt] Mounting the ARIB
by Will Wright 28 Jul '06

28 Jul '06

Hello to the group, I am interest to know how those in the group have mounted the radio card. It look like the card is small enough to place in the computer, but I wondering if anyone have mounted it in a different way? Thanks Will / W4WWM

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Re: [App_rpt] Getting app_rpt base node to work.
by hwstar＠rodgers.sdcoxmail.com 27 Jul '06

27 Jul '06

Swap the jacks and tell me if you get a red tx light. Connecting the RX into the TX port on the ARIB should light the TX LED. >From what I can deduce, it looks like the modular cables from your channel bank are flipping the polarity of tip and ring. The ARIB is polarity sensitive and will do exactly what you have described if the polarity is wrong. Make up a new set of modular cables which swap the red and green wires in the opposite manner to the cables you are currently using. Steve. > > From: "Shane Burrell" <shaneb(a)metrostat.net> > Date: 2006/07/21 Fri PM 01:08:42 PDT > To: "'Asterisk Repeater Controler'" <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> > Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Getting app_rpt base node to work. > > Now that I have rpt loading I can't seem to figure out how to get the base > to key up. I think I have a combo of problems with my config and ARIB > interface. > > I have a Sangoma A104D with second T1 channels 1 and two configured. One is > LS other is GS. The goto a TA 750 into the ARIB. I have set to 4W and > jumpers 1 and 2 removed. The ARIB is connected to the KCT-19 pigtal on my > Kenwood TK-880. I see the COR light come on when I receive a transmission. > So far so good. > > When I setup a exten to rpt|P it just gets dead air and doesn't transmit. I > assumed that at this point I could dial *X out of the function list and have > it do something but it doesn't. Also no audio occurs on the phone if the > radio is receiving but the COR light does work. > > Any pointers or next step? I've dug thru the docs and most of what I see is > for repeaters. I just want to hit a base and send some tones. Maybe an > annoucment or two. > > TIA, > > SHane > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: app_rpt-bounces(a)lists.illiana.net > [mailto:app_rpt-bounces@lists.illiana.net] On Behalf Of Shane Burrell > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:48 PM > To: 'Asterisk Repeater Controler' > Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Getting app_rpt base node to work. > > I figured out I have to restart asterisk. Now I get dial and get blank air. > My goal is to dial a number and have it send out some 2 tone. I would > settle for DTMF. Is there a DTMF command I need to issue to take over/PTT > the base? > > -----Original Message----- > From: app_rpt-bounces(a)lists.illiana.net > [mailto:app_rpt-bounces@lists.illiana.net] On Behalf Of Jim Duuuude > Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:43 PM > To: app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Getting app_rpt base node to work. > > How about remote=y > > It doesnt recognize remote=dump, and thinks it a node > and wants an idrecording specified. > > > >From: "Shane Burrell" <shaneb(a)metrostat.net> > >Reply-To: Asterisk Repeater Controler <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> > >To: "'Asterisk Repeater Controler'" <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> > >Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Getting app_rpt base node to work. > >Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:24:34 -0400 > >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >Received: from lists.illiana.net ([207.227.243.140]) by > >bay0-mc8-f19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2444); Fri, > >21 Jul 2006 10:24:41 -0700 > >Received: (qmail 3845 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 17:24:40 -0000 > >Received: from localhost (HELO ?127.0.0.1?) (127.0.0.1) by 0 with SMTP; 21 > > >Jul 2006 17:24:40 -0000 > >Received: (qmail 3828 invoked from network); 21 Jul 2006 17:24:37 -0000 > >Received: from mail.metrostat.net (HELO mx1.metrostat.net) (152.53.16.15)by > > >0 with SMTP; 21 Jul 2006 17:24:37 -0000 > >Received: by mx1.metrostat.net (Postfix, from userid 1003)id 2FB4F26900CC; > >Fri, 21 Jul 2006 13:24:20 -0400 (EDT) > >Received: from compmst (unknown [152.53.16.10])by mx1.metrostat.net > >(Postfix) with ESMTP id D42CD26900BBfor <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net>; Fri, > >21 Jul 2006 13:24:16 -0400 (EDT) > >X-Message-Info: LsUYwwHHNt3NYSfb1sbees3Ik0t50SZpLw6VgEAXI2s= > >Return-Path: <shaneb(a)metrostat.net> > >Delivered-To: mailman-app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > >X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on > >mx1.metrostat.net > >X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=5.5 tests=none > >autolearn=disabled version=3.1.0 > >X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 > >Thread-Index: Acas6IDNhxKN9qu6Qai9iAm0lrd/ggAAdqzw > >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 > >X-BeenThere: app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > >X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 > >Precedence: list > >List-Id: Asterisk Repeater Controler <app_rpt.lists.illiana.net> > >List-Unsubscribe: > ><http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt>,<mailto:app_rpt-request > @lists.illiana.net?subject=unsubscribe> > >List-Archive: <http://lists.illiana.net/pipermail/app_rpt> > >List-Post: <mailto:app_rpt@lists.illiana.net> > >List-Help: <mailto:app_rpt-request@lists.illiana.net?subject=help> > >List-Subscribe: > ><http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt>,<mailto:app_rpt-request > @lists.illiana.net?subject=subscribe> > >Errors-To: app_rpt-bounces(a)lists.illiana.net > >X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2006 17:24:41.0409 (UTC) > >FILETIME=[8CF8FB10:01C6ACEA] > > > >Still get rpt_exec: Cannot find specified system node 101. my rpt.conf is > >as follows: > > > >[101] ; Node ID of remote base > >rxchannel = Zap/25 ; Rx audio/signalling channel > >txchannel = Zap/26 ; Tx audio/signalling channel > >functions = functions-remote > >remote = dumb ; Set remote=y for dumb remote or > > ; remote=rbi for Doug Hall RBI1 > >[functions-remote] > >0=remote,1 ; Retrieve Memory > >1=remote,2 ; Set freq. > >2=remote,3 ; Set Rx PL tone. > >40=remote,100 ; Rx PL off > >41=remote,101 ; Rx PL on > >42=remote,102 ; Tx PL off > >43=remote,103 ; Tx PL on > >44=remote,104 ; Low Pwr > >45=remote,105 ; Med Pwr > >46=remote,106 ; Hi Pwr > >5=remote,5 ; Status > > > >[telemetry] > > > > > >ct1=|t(350,0,100,2048)(500,0,100,2048)(660,0,100,2048) > >ct2=|t(660,880,150,2048) > >ct3=|t(440,0,150,2048) > >ct4=|t(550,0,150,2048) > >ct5=|t(660,0,150,2048) > >ct6=|t(880,0,150,2048) > >ct7=|t(660,440,150,2048) > >ct8=|t(700,1100,150,2048) > >remotetx=|t(2000,0,75,2048)(0,0,75,0)(1600,0,75,2048); > >remotemon=|t(1600,0,75,2048) > >cmdmode=|t(900,903,200,2048) > >functcomplete=|t(1000,0,100,2048)(0,0,100,0)(1000,0,100,2048) > > > >[morse] > >speed=20 ; Approximate speed in WPM > >frequency=800 ; Morse Telemetry Frequency > >amplitude=4096 ; Morse Telemetry Amplitude > >idfrequency=330 ; Morse ID Frequency > >idamplitude=2048 ; Morse ID Amplitude > > > >[nodes] > > > >;000 = context_A(a)1.2.3.4/1234 > >101 = radio(a)me.asterisk.net/101 > > > >;of course, you can also specify these with domain names, but why rely > >;on DNS working unnecessarily? > > > >[memory] > > > >;; this example gives you 146.460, simplex, 100.0 HZ PL, hi-power, transmit > >PL > >00 = 146.460,100.0,sht > >;; this example gives you 146.940, minus offset, 100.0 HZ PL, low-power, no > >PL > >01 = 146.940,100.0,-l > > > >; The format for these entries is: Receive-Freq,Receive-PL,Attrbutes > >; Attributes: l=low power, m=medium power, h=high power, -=minus > >offset, > >; s=simplex, +=plus offset, t=tx PL enable, r=rx PL enable > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: app_rpt-bounces(a)lists.illiana.net > >[mailto:app_rpt-bounces@lists.illiana.net] On Behalf Of > >hwstar(a)rodgers.sdcoxmail.com > >Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 1:10 PM > >To: Asterisk Repeater Controler > >Subject: Re: [App_rpt] Getting app_rpt base node to work. > > > >Shane, > > > > > >1. Node numbers with leading zeroes are reserved. Try using 101 instead. > > > >2. The node number needs to be defined in 2 places in the rpt.conf file. > >Once in the repeater section with square brackets e.g. [101] and once in > >the > >[NODES] section as an entry to connect to/from: > > > >radio(a)127.0.0.1/101,127.0.0.1 > > > > > >Steve. > > > > > > > > From: "Shane Burrell" <shaneb(a)metrostat.net> > > > Date: 2006/07/21 Fri AM 10:04:30 PDT > > > To: <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> > > > Subject: [App_rpt] Getting app_rpt base node to work. > > > > > > I've tried to setup a base node using a kenwood TK-880 and analog radio > > > board. Asterisk reports that rpt_exec: Cannot find specified system > >node > > > 001. I have 001 defined using the example base node. Is there > >something > >I > > > am missing. Does app-rpt require more than a reload to get its > > > configuration? > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shane > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >App_rpt mailing list > >App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > >http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt > > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt mailing list > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt mailing list > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt > > _______________________________________________ > App_rpt mailing list > App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net > http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt >

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Re: [App_rpt] Getting app_rpt base node to work.
by hwstar＠rodgers.sdcoxmail.com 21 Jul '06

21 Jul '06

Shane, 1. Node numbers with leading zeroes are reserved. Try using 101 instead. 2. The node number needs to be defined in 2 places in the rpt.conf file. Once in the repeater section with square brackets e.g. [101] and once in the [NODES] section as an entry to connect to/from: radio(a)127.0.0.1/101,127.0.0.1 Steve. > > From: "Shane Burrell" <shaneb(a)metrostat.net> > Date: 2006/07/21 Fri AM 10:04:30 PDT > To: <app_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net> > Subject: [App_rpt] Getting app_rpt base node to work. > > I've tried to setup a base node using a kenwood TK-880 and analog radio > board. Asterisk reports that rpt_exec: Cannot find specified system node > 001. I have 001 defined using the example base node. Is there something I > am missing. Does app-rpt require more than a reload to get its > configuration? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Shane > > > > > _______________________________________________ App_rpt mailing list App_rpt(a)lists.illiana.net http://lists.illiana.net/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt

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