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Re: [App_rpt-users] USB Sound Dongle Challenges
by Steve Wright 18 Mar '16

18 Mar '16

On 18/03/16 15:56, Thor Wiegman <n7jct(a)aplaceonthe.net> @ohnosec.org wrote: > > [....] why limit ourselves to using the audio chip for digital I/O? > > > For Pi and all others why not a USB relay board? [....] > some USB I/O boards for about $5 that give 16 pins, your > choice of input or output on each. If these could be adapted then > chan_simpleusb could be used and the radio can provide COR and CTCSS. Yup, while it was cool before, but now that USB I/O is just not required. The little single board PCs are a far better proposition than a retired white-box, in almost every way, unless you don't want to pay $50 for a repeater controller. The quad-core RPI3 and it's kin are the new easy, with so so so much I/O on board, and it's crazy-easy to use it. What else can we put in software on these boards? MPPT controller? Steve

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Pass Way
by holldrl＠gt.rr.com 17 Mar '16

17 Mar '16

holldrl(a)gt.rr.com pass way March 2, can you take hem off your email

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Stuttering like a two bit sample without closure.
by KM4NRJ FLORIDA 17 Mar '16

17 Mar '16

What is with the amount of stuttering I have noticed over the last 2 months from various nodes and networks all over? It started intermittently and there has been multiple discussion consisting theory of latency, bandwidth, processor loading, codecs, (specifically ULaw) to the earth curvature not being consistent. It is also not contained to any transport medium whether, fiber, cable, DSL, or damp string. Could it be our Internet gurus are suffering from capacity and growing pains, or perhaps the PTB dirtboxes need a overdue expansion in government OMB capital? I an curious. It isn't just restricted to small networks. The big unlimited data center connections are stuttering like DJHam on epinephrine. IRLP (sigh) is sounding better.... Lately..... For a second....... Thank you for your thoughts and expertise in advance. Chuck Powell KM4NRJ On Mar 16, 2016 12:00 PM, <app_rpt-users-request(a)ohnosec.org> wrote: > Send App_rpt-users mailing list submissions to > app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > app_rpt-users-request(a)ohnosec.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > app_rpt-users-owner(a)ohnosec.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of App_rpt-users digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26 (Bryan Fields) > 2. Re: Yet another overpriced USB sound dongle (Kevin Custer) > 3. Re: Yet another overpriced USB sound dongle (Andrew Sylthe) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 09:02:33 -0400 > From: Bryan Fields <Bryan(a)bryanfields.net> > To: app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26 > Message-ID: <56E95969.5020704(a)bryanfields.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > On 3/16/16 7:46 AM, Bryan D. Boyle wrote: > > Time is worth something; reinventing the wheel to accomplish what already > > exists is, to me, and me only, a waste of time. > > But there are lots of retired hams who have more time than money. I'm not > one > just yet :( > > It's funny, I sell quantar firmware SIMMs on eBay, and I have clearly > stated > in the ad if you want >1 I'll knock 25 bux off. I had a fella message me > with > this gem yesterday when I refused his half price offer for one unit. > > "WHY YOU CHARGE SUCH HIGH PRICE FOR SOMETHIN YOU BUILD IN 10 MIN! IT > DOCUMENTTED ON THE WEB WHAT YOU SELL! WHAT THINK YOU DESERVE FOR COPYING > SOME > ONE ELSE WORK AND SELLING IT!" > > He gave me this link, http://wiki.w9cr.net/index.php/Quantar#SIMM_info > implying I copied how to do it from there.. > > I made up some docs, take time and test each one and then package it. > You're > paying for my time and the convenience. Too much? I've documented it and > you're free to build it yourself. > > Some people, right? :) > > 73's W9CR > -- > Bryan Fields > > 727-409-1194 - Voice > 727-214-2508 - Fax > http://bryanfields.net > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 09:15:50 -0400 > From: Kevin Custer <kuggie(a)kuggie.com> > To: Steve Wright <info(a)meshnetworks.co.nz>, app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Yet another overpriced USB sound dongle > Message-ID: <56E95C86.5000206(a)kuggie.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 3/15/2016 10:45 PM, Steve Wright wrote: > > > > I detect a shill, and a cleverly crafted release of a product. > > It wasn't planned, Steve. I simply took advantage of an opportunity. > It was probably a little premature, but whatever. > > > > > While I am able to plug a handful of two-dollar USB audio devices into > > an RPI3 and use the onboard I/O for signalling, I am probably going to > > go and do that. > > > > Good luck! Sounds like the millionaire hams love it already! Us poor > > church mice will stick with the <$100 solution - that is, for the > > entire node - not just for a single USB audio device! > > No one is going to get rich from a $35 USB radio adapter - considering > the cost of the circuit board and components. Genuine C-Media CM119A's > are not easily sourced, as there are LOTS of fakes out there. My > product considers the spirit of amateur radio, allowing someone to build > something, learn about it, and save money. > > If you feel the advantages of this product offering doesn't merit its > price, that's okay. But, it does have several advantages over a simple > FOB, and it's obvious you didn't read about it to see what they are. > So, I'll take that into consideration for what it's worth. > > Kevin > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2016 08:29:33 -0500 > From: Andrew Sylthe <asylthe(a)kc9ona.com> > To: Kevin Custer <kuggie(a)kuggie.com> > Cc: Steve Wright <info(a)meshnetworks.co.nz>, app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org > Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] Yet another overpriced USB sound dongle > Message-ID: > < > CAMbt3dvKrvobthCGVFfS8JFkchkr16spJ-ebZVqhwnfkjt6E1g(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I've had good luck purchasing them from this outfit: > http://www.semiconductorstore.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=48285 > On Mar 16, 2016 8:25 AM, "Kevin Custer" <kuggie(a)kuggie.com> wrote: > > > On 3/15/2016 10:45 PM, Steve Wright wrote: > > > >> > >> I detect a shill, and a cleverly crafted release of a product. > >> > > > > It wasn't planned, Steve. I simply took advantage of an opportunity. It > > was probably a little premature, but whatever. > > > > > >> While I am able to plug a handful of two-dollar USB audio devices into > an > >> RPI3 and use the onboard I/O for signalling, I am probably going to go > and > >> do that. > >> > >> Good luck! Sounds like the millionaire hams love it already! Us poor > >> church mice will stick with the <$100 solution - that is, for the entire > >> node - not just for a single USB audio device! > >> > > > > No one is going to get rich from a $35 USB radio adapter - considering > the > > cost of the circuit board and components. Genuine C-Media CM119A's are > not > > easily sourced, as there are LOTS of fakes out there. My product > considers > > the spirit of amateur radio, allowing someone to build something, learn > > about it, and save money. > > > > If you feel the advantages of this product offering doesn't merit its > > price, that's okay. But, it does have several advantages over a simple > > FOB, and it's obvious you didn't read about it to see what they are. So, > > I'll take that into consideration for what it's worth. > > > > Kevin > > _______________________________________________ > > App_rpt-users mailing list > > App_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org > > http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users > > > > To unsubscribe from this list please visit > > http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll > down > > to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the > > "Unsubscribe or edit options button" > > You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email > > confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to > > the list detailing the problem. >

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DIAL - RPi2 - ChanUSB
by David Osborn 17 Mar '16

17 Mar '16

Hello all, I've finally got around to setting-up a Dial installation on an RPi2 and hit a snag: The image boots as it should and I end up with Asterisk running and the LED flashing on the USB dongle (which has been used without difficulty on a PC-based installation for some time). Here's the first problem: root@peel:/etc/asterisk# /usr/sbin/radio-tune-menu Error parsing device parameters root@peel:/etc/asterisk# The second thing is that I'd like to use full-fat ChanUSB, using DSP for everything. I set "rxchannel = Radio/usb" in rpt.conf, but Asterisk takes great exception to that complaining that it can't find the channel driver. So, what would upset radio-tune-menu and how to use ChanUSB? As always, I'll be missing something obvious. Thanks.

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Re: [App_rpt-users] App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26
by Jim Aspinwall 16 Mar '16

16 Mar '16

Thanks Kevin, more positive from you! Others: "billable time" - seriously? that's a play I work on consumer vendors for spite. If you back-bill your hobby and intellectual time on self-assigned-worth values... in THIS context. Thanks for your call, we'll get back to you, never. We're talking about $3-12 free-market parts and 20 minutes of gawd-awful soldering level of effort here. Sheesh. I am just curious about and enabling least-common-denominator implementation and idea sharing as supplies morph and shift. If I wanted $450/hr engineering... well, a lot of folks would starve. Campbells or Progressive cans? When I make all this work, the for-self-assigned-value folks self-obligated to a sub-contracted fee of $375 per implementation, non-commercial... I want to be fair and allow you something for your list trolling and link-clicking efforts. (I am familiar with intellectual property, fair-use and public domain issues... you admitted to be exempt and obligated otherwise! pffft.) From: "app_rpt-users-request(a)ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users-request(a)ohnosec.org> To: app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2016 6:51 PM Subject: App_rpt-users Digest, Vol 85, Issue 26 Send App_rpt-users mailing list submissions to app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to app_rpt-users-request(a)ohnosec.org You can reach the person managing the list at app_rpt-users-owner(a)ohnosec.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of App_rpt-users digest..." Today's Topics: 1. USB Sound Dongle Challenges (Jim Aspinwall) 2. New Dongle Potential (Jim Aspinwall) 3. Re: New Dongle Potential (Kevin Custer) 4. Re: New Dongle Potential (Bryan D. Boyle) 5. Re: New Dongle Potential (Steve Zingman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2016 22:05:54 +0000 (UTC) From: Jim Aspinwall <no1pc(a)yahoo.com> To: "app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org" <app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org> Subject: [App_rpt-users] USB Sound Dongle Challenges Message-ID: <504928773.650221.1458079554502.JavaMail.yahoo(a)mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The original CM-108/-109-based products a few have documented mods for are evaporating from common availability.? A few of us have ordered or tried to order from "known good links" (circa 2014/2015) off Amazon or eBay only to encounter dead/expired/no-longer-available links or "byte the bullet" and opt for a 108/109-claiming look-alike and come up with yet another version of unusable product. If we can determine the same/similar/equivalent pinout locations between the 108, 109, 119 or whatever different chips we might be able to revise some of the mod docs for alternatives. However, the latest small batch I acquired came with not pin-exposed chip-on-board (for which there could be more hope) but connection flooded die-on-board implementations and drastically differently layout, no direct access to pins without risking the chip trying to 'uncap' it. Two recent acquisitions pictured: http://www.no1pc.org/radio/NewerChip.jpg?- CM119 chip - one such device has already been proven to work with IRLP and Asterisk via Pi - but I'd like to do the PTT/COS tap-offs. http://www.no1pc.org/radio/DieOnBoard2.jpg?- not yet sure of the chip, but pinouts are obviously a challenge. I can try to poke about and see if the exposed-pin CM119 is viable, if someone familiar with the chips or their layout can advice. ?The die-version - good luck? Ideas? ?Existing updates?

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Re: [App_rpt-users] Yet another overpriced USB sound dongle
by Steve Wright 16 Mar '16

16 Mar '16

On 16/03/16 14:51, Kevin Custer wrote: > No - it's not a $2.00 FOB, but what's your time and money worth to buy > products that are potted and unusable? [....] > ...time is money...at least for me it is...so spending > anything more than an hour at my contract rate, to me, and only me, > quickly outweighs the $50-100 usd that it might cost to purchase [....] > Putting the bashed-together > device into a commercial site? That's why hams get thrown out. That's > just me, though. I'm sure the price of Kevin's device, the upgraded > dongle from Repeater Builder, or Dave Kramer's URI in terms of being > tested and proven working, when what your time is worth is considered, > are actually cheaper. I detect a shill, and a cleverly crafted release of a product. While I am able to plug a handful of two-dollar USB audio devices into an RPI3 and use the onboard I/O for signalling, I am probably going to go and do that. Good luck! Sounds like the millionaire hams love it already! Us poor church mice will stick with the <$100 solution - that is, for the entire node - not just for a single USB audio device! S

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Pass Way
by holldrl＠gt.rr.com 16 Mar '16

16 Mar '16

I am email you to let you know that Darril Holland pass way March 2 and I would like you to take hem off you email

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New Dongle Potential
by Jim Aspinwall 16 Mar '16

16 Mar '16

Perhaps at least half-answering my previous query... This is what I recently bought - the die-on-board version:http://www.ebay.com/itm/221670209239?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&s… Anticipating this interface scheme will work:http://www.crompton.com/hamradio/usb_fob_modification/usbfob_interface… we may be able to extrapolate some updates... I did verify the pinout of the 108 and 119 chips are the same. Internally:http://www.no1pc.org/radio/TopAccess.jpg Regardless of direct/specific pin access, if the controls/indicators are assumed the same, access to the associated signals should be available at the respective (VolUp, VolDn) switches and Red LED. The audio jacks are through-hole mount. Potentially removable and place DC blocking/coupling caps in the dongle, as well as the PTT output buffer, and perhaps any buffer for the active-low CTCSS and COS inputs. To make a little more space and not chance an erroneous, unnecessary button press, clip the actuator posts and glue the button tops in place. Button posts:http://www.no1pc.org/radio/ButtonTop.jpg It may be a few days before I can get to the necessary 'surgery', create a new node and test, but this looks to have potential.

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USB Sound Dongle Challenges
by Jim Aspinwall 16 Mar '16

16 Mar '16

The original CM-108/-109-based products a few have documented mods for are evaporating from common availability. A few of us have ordered or tried to order from "known good links" (circa 2014/2015) off Amazon or eBay only to encounter dead/expired/no-longer-available links or "byte the bullet" and opt for a 108/109-claiming look-alike and come up with yet another version of unusable product. If we can determine the same/similar/equivalent pinout locations between the 108, 109, 119 or whatever different chips we might be able to revise some of the mod docs for alternatives. However, the latest small batch I acquired came with not pin-exposed chip-on-board (for which there could be more hope) but connection flooded die-on-board implementations and drastically differently layout, no direct access to pins without risking the chip trying to 'uncap' it. Two recent acquisitions pictured: http://www.no1pc.org/radio/NewerChip.jpg - CM119 chip - one such device has already been proven to work with IRLP and Asterisk via Pi - but I'd like to do the PTT/COS tap-offs. http://www.no1pc.org/radio/DieOnBoard2.jpg - not yet sure of the chip, but pinouts are obviously a challenge. I can try to poke about and see if the exposed-pin CM119 is viable, if someone familiar with the chips or their layout can advice. The die-version - good luck? Ideas? Existing updates?

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Re: [App_rpt-users] DIAL - RPi2 - ChanUSB
by Steve Zingman 16 Mar '16

16 Mar '16

Enable Chan_USB in /etc/asterisk/modules.conf On Mar 16, 2016 3:08 AM, David Osborn <david.osborn(a)manx.net> wrote: Hello all, I've finally got around to setting-up a Dial installation on an RPi2 and hit a snag: The image boots as it should and I end up with Asterisk running and the LED flashing on the USB dongle (which has been used without difficulty on a PC-based installation for some time). Here's the first problem: root@peel:/etc/asterisk# /usr/sbin/radio-tune-menu Error parsing device parameters root@peel:/etc/asterisk# The second thing is that I'd like to use full-fat ChanUSB, using DSP for everything. I set "rxchannel = Radio/usb" in rpt.conf, but Asterisk takes great exception to that complaining that it can't find the channel driver. So, what would upset radio-tune-menu and how to use ChanUSB? As always, I'll be missing something obvious. Thanks. _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.

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