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Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?
by Alan Adamson 13 Aug '12

13 Aug '12

Here's what's funny about the price options on NXDN. I can't talk for kenwood, I don't have any of theirs. Icom repeaters are approx $700 - all you need is a UR-FR6000 (or 5000 if you want vhf), I've picked those up for that price and less a few times. That's everything with controller, add duplexer, power supply and antenna and you are on the air. Those are 25w 100% duty cycle repeaters. While the HT's are a bit expensive, the mobiles are cheaper than d-star mobiles. NXDN is quite good at extending the footprint of an analog system. I can't speak for the other commercial gear, but for NXDN, that's 1/2 the price of a d-star repeater, way better equipment, and you can do both 25khz FM and 6.25 digital on them so transition for a user base is extremely easy. Ok, I suppose we better turn this back to app_rpt talk and not create another repeater builder. If anyone want NXDN info, contact me off list. Oh, and for the question, yes, you can do native IP based NXDN linking. my repeaters in Atlanta, are linked to Ohio and to FLA. And while not too flexible at the moment, we are working on that. Lastly, aside from the DVSI chip, which everyone else uses as well, the nxdn specs were just released a month ago, which opens all kinds of possibilities. Doing nxdn to dstar.. why bother, scrap the dstar gear and just get nxdn gear, that's what quite a number of places are doing!.... Alan From: app_rpt-users-bounces(a)ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Carrier Sent: Monday, August 13, 2012 1:40 AM To: app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star? Funny, my machine is co-located with amateur and commercial equipment with no issues what-so-ever. I'm also running 100 watt MTR3000's right along side CDR700's less than 1 meg apart with no problems. P25 will be TDMA in the next few years too. Nobody bashed NXDN but you have to have a heck of a budget to get into a system like that. KW's amateur line is awesome but I've never been a fan of their commercial line.but that's just "my" opinion and you know what they say about opinions. Jeff

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Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?
by Alan Adamson 13 Aug '12

13 Aug '12

It's amazing how *spirited* this discussion can get. I'm certainly NOT proposing it as an *everyone* do.. I did it because I have 3 NXDN repeaters on the air (soon to be 5), the are pretty close cousins to D-STAR *without* all the ugliness of the USTRUST, callsign routing, and the crap that goes on with the politics of D-Star - Can you tell I'm *NOT* a fan. BUT with that said. I wanted to see how things sounded back and forth and how good I could make them sound. Besides I've met some really great people up in Canada via my setup and so it shall most likely stay for me. My other motivation.. Seems that the *true* D-Star guys just HATE it when you link analog to digital.. So I'm quite proud of doing it.. I just manage it so that my setup doesn't fall on the REF's or the USTRUST, it's pretty happy to run on the ircddb and XREF/DCS reflectors. Isn't it great that this hobby is structured to allow tinkering, development, advancement, enjoyment, and having fun.. All those things that it seems some I the D-Star world don't want to happen.. For me, I simply don't get it. present company excluded (hmm, maybe I can't say that I heard that a bunch of allstar guys switched to D-Star.. wow, I don't get that either :)). Oh, and as for MotoTurbo, I'm afraid it's going to be short lived. Most all the States around here are not granting licenses for anything more than 20-25W on the commercial side. Seems the TDMA causes wicked sideband interference to adjacent channels. It's an intrinsic problem that I don't think can be remedied. Plus I really like being 6.25khz wide NOW, which obviously turbo isn't. it's still a 12.5khz signal that just happens to have 2 TDMA channels running inside of it. :) Alan From: Kirk Just Kirk [mailto:wb6egr@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:30 PM To: app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org; adamson_alan(a)hotmail.com Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star? MotoTRBO will stay "MOTOTRBO" if I have any say. We have no need/desire for a interconnection to $-Star... Kirk On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jeffrey S. Carrier <jeff.carrier(a)rmsmsecurity.com> wrote: How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool! K0jsc Jeffrey S. Carrier Fire Inspector, Plant Protection (719) 561-7199 <tel:%28719%29%20561-7199> direct (719) 561-6567 <tel:%28719%29%20561-6567> fax 1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004 jeffrey.carrier(a)evrazincna.com Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown -----Original Message----- From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan(a)hotmail.com] Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm To: 'Allstar User' [app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org] Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star? I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world's most connectable allstar server :).. I've now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital, etc. What's most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes into the allstar server. I just decided that I didn't want to do the rptdir thing, so I'm using chan_dstar and the dextra_client.. And it really sounds good. I'm scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time (not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys). Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it's like 2 full duplex repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2 simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar.. Good think I had a whole bunch of 25W dummy loads :). since I got everything working, I just figured I'd share. while it wasn't brain dead easy, it wasn't too difficult either. Alan _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

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Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?
by Jeffrey S. Carrier 13 Aug '12

13 Aug '12

How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool! K0jsc Jeffrey S. Carrier Fire Inspector, Plant Protection (719) 561-7199 direct (719) 561-6567 fax 1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004 jeffrey.carrier(a)evrazincna.com Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown -----Original Message----- From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan(a)hotmail.com] Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm To: 'Allstar User' [app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org] Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star? I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world's most connectable allstar server :).. I've now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital, etc. What's most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes into the allstar server. I just decided that I didn't want to do the rptdir thing, so I'm using chan_dstar and the dextra_client.. And it really sounds good. I'm scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time (not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys). Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it's like 2 full duplex repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2 simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar.. Good think I had a whole bunch of 25W dummy loads :). since I got everything working, I just figured I'd share. while it wasn't brain dead easy, it wasn't too difficult either. Alan

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Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star?
by Alan Adamson 12 Aug '12

12 Aug '12

Ok, that sounds like a challenge :).. How to shut off 3 motortrbo repeaters all at once :).. Just kidding of course Kirk, but I couldn't resist the temptation. Alan From: app_rpt-users-bounces(a)ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Kirk Just Kirk Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:43 PM To: Stephen - K1LNX Cc: app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star? FROWN on it? I kid you not........ I run 2 of the Hawaii MotoTRBO and 1 of the Las Vegas MotoTRBO..... The first time I hear a interconnect from D-Star they all go dark..... Kirk On Sun, Aug 12, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Stephen - K1LNX <k1lnx(a)k1lnx.net> wrote: There's a 26 pin jack on the back of the MOTOTRBO radios, so it could easily be hooked to a URI (well at least on the XPR 5550, which is what I am running, not sure about other models. I think the 4550 has it as well). And I am also unsure if the audio is present in digital mode, it's not on the repeaters, but unsure about the mobiles. It should be though, there are several software packages out there that actually depend on a radio being connected. Native bridging? I don't think that will be easy. There's a product out there that will allow you to hook a radio to it and then bridge it to the TRBO network, but it's not cheap (about $2,600). Motorola is also very tight lipped about their protocol. I am working on getting accepted into the developer's program, but if I do get in I have to sign an NDA and I don't think I can make anything I potentially create open sourced because of it. I think there are people that have done what I describe above though, seems like I've heard some chatter about it. Believe me.... I would LOVE to see a "chan_trbo" or better yet a "chan_dmr" and be able to link both Hytera and MOTOTRBO together in a app_rpt box, but the nature of the closed IPSC protocols for both may prevent that from happening. It's not impossible, the protocol could easily be studied with a packet dump, but would probably take some serious code to make it all work. The bigger problem with all this is that the MOTOTRBO network operators (DMR-MARC, DCI, etc) may frown on such an installation. This is the reason I have not pursued this myself yet, there is a strong (and rightfully so) belief to keep the network all MOTOTRBO. Wishful thinking anyhow.... Stephen K1LNX -----Original Message----- From: app_rpt-users-bounces(a)ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey S. Carrier Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:15 PM To: app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org; adamson_alan(a)hotmail.com Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] d-star? How about a similar connection to a mototrbo system. That would be cool! K0jsc Jeffrey S. Carrier Fire Inspector, Plant Protection (719) 561-7199 <tel:%28719%29%20561-7199> direct (719) 561-6567 <tel:%28719%29%20561-6567> fax 1612 E. Abriendo Ave. Pueblo, Colorado 81004 jeffrey.carrier(a)evrazincna.com Sent from my Android phone using TouchDown -----Original Message----- From: Alan Adamson [adamson_alan(a)hotmail.com] Received: Sunday, 12 Aug 2012, 4:41pm To: 'Allstar User' [app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org] Subject: [App_rpt-users] d-star? I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world's most connectable allstar server :).. I've now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital, etc. What's most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes into the allstar server. I just decided that I didn't want to do the rptdir thing, so I'm using chan_dstar and the dextra_client.. And it really sounds good. I'm scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time (not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys). Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it's like 2 full duplex repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2 simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar.. Good think I had a whole bunch of 25W dummy loads :). since I got everything working, I just figured I'd share. while it wasn't brain dead easy, it wasn't too difficult either. Alan _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users

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d-star?
by Alan Adamson 12 Aug '12

12 Aug '12

I know this is probably old hat to most, but I think I have the world's most connectable allstar server :).. I've now got a B and C module of D-star (via freestar*) that I can connect in, my own experimental XRF reflector, I can cross link analog to digital, etc. What's most amazing is HOW GOOD IT SOUNDS, when the D-Star audio comes into the allstar server. I just decided that I didn't want to do the rptdir thing, so I'm using chan_dstar and the dextra_client.. And it really sounds good. I'm scratching my head as to why this was so frowned on in the beginning of time (not from the allstar guys, but the d-star guys). Anyway, I think if I had everything connected up, it's like 2 full duplex repeaters, a full duplex IRLP connection, and a d-star gateway, but 2 simplex bases, one for d-star one for allstar.. Good think I had a whole bunch of 25W dummy loads :). since I got everything working, I just figured I'd share. while it wasn't brain dead easy, it wasn't too difficult either. Alan

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Re: [App_rpt-users] Nasa Select via music on hold?
by Alan Adamson 12 Aug '12

12 Aug '12

Stephen, Wondering if I could bug you for a little more info. while the time for this has come and gone, I want to be ready for the next time. I figured out how to get a feed. I'd have used my windows machine to push a feed to my icecast server by playing the nasa video feed and recording the "what you hear" from my sound card :). poor mans live audio feed. So that part was no problem. What I fail to grasp it how I would have hooked this up in allstar to the radio side of things. In what file would I have placed your comments below?? And how would I have brought that audio into one of my nodes? On the surface I'm assuming that I'd need a private node for 1000 and then I would have linked that in? But that may not be how you do it. Any help appreciated. Just so I can do this again if so desired. [my-nasa-feed-or-whatever-you-decide-to-call-it] exten => 1000,1,MusicOnHold(default) Thanks in advance, Alan From: Stephen - K1LNX [mailto:k1lnx@k1lnx.net] Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 8:18 PM To: Alan Adamson; 'Allstar User' Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] Nasa Select via music on hold? Easy, use the music on hold function. You'll need mpg123 installed and a feed to point to it, I do this for the music on hold on my main PBX all the time. Create or edit a file called musiconhold.conf and include the following as a sample: [default] mode=custom application=/usr/bin/mpg123 -q -s --mono -r 8000 -f 8192 -b 0 http://scfire-ntc-aa05.stream.aol.com:80/stream/1074 This example is for the .977 hitz Shoutcast stream. An example dialplan config would look like this (in extensions.conf): [my-nasa-feed-or-whatever-you-decide-to-call-it] exten => 1000,1,MusicOnHold(default) In a nutshell this is how you could accomplish it, hopefully I didn't miss anything so I don't make any guarantees, YMMV ;) If you can get it going let us know, I looked around to see if there was a feed being broadcast and couldn't find one but I didn't look in any great detail. You could also rename your MusicOnHold class to say, NASA and just refer to it accordingly in your dialplan. Hope that helps.. 73 Stephen K1LNX From: app_rpt-users-bounces(a)ohnosec.org [mailto:app_rpt-users-bounces@ohnosec.org] On Behalf Of Alan Adamson Sent: Sunday, August 05, 2012 2:44 PM To: 'Allstar User' Subject: [App_rpt-users] Nasa Select via music on hold? It seems there are ways to bring nasa select into allstar, one seems to be via music on hold. Anyone have a configuration of doing this? Or specifically how to bring in the audio from the Mars landing tonight into allstar (hmm, means I need to turn off my timeout timers too.. must be a cop for that I would suppose?) Alan

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Beagle board question
by Michael J. Wolthuis 10 Aug '12

10 Aug '12

I connected my LOX board port 1 up to my linkcomm Club Deluxe controller. I ran PTT from LOX to COR on Linkcomm. However, I see the beagle.conf is set to carrierfrom=dsp and ctcssfrom=dsp I turned ctcssfrom=no And I tried carrierfrom=usb But it still acts like DSP? In other words, it doesn't key up until there is audio there. Maybe that is normal??? I am new to the LOX and Allstar, so sorry if this sounds like a bad question, but I would expect if I key the radio Allstar would key up when carrierfrom=usb is selected to look for the PTT from the controller on the COR line of the LOX? I am listening via WebTransceiver if that matters. Mike Kb8zgl

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Interfacing with a yaesu vx7000 repeater
by Bradley Haney 09 Aug '12

09 Aug '12

Hello all. question when interfacing with repeater through the acc port. We currently have it set up for the repeater to do the repeating and the tone. We the the URI/allstarlink set up on duplex=1 so we can change the beep the the roger beep. I also have it set to linktolink = yes. Question is when we access the auto patch it appears its only in 1/2 duplex because it appears when the person is talking on the phone and has the repeater key'd up you can't issue a disconnect command. Example. for some reason we lose connectivity to allstarlink servers for what ever reason about every 24-48 hours which makes the webtrans not work . Normally i just reboot the machine and everything comes back fine. I noticed today before i left work our node wasn't listed again, but figured i would just fix it when i got home. On the way home i tried to connect to another allstarlink node and said connection failed, but ECHOLINK stations worked fine. SO i thought i would call home then right quick on the auto patch. WHen i did i got the loud noise of a busy signal, but since the repeater was keyed up it would not accept a *0 command or any command to disconnect the auto patch until i got home and restarted asterisk. Then of course i had to restart the box and then everything went back to normal. First question does anyone else have a problem of their all-star box needing rebooted like that every couple of days? 2nd any for the way i have it set up to get full duplex on the auto patch so if this happens again we can shut the auto patch. I am sure everyone is saying why not let the computer do the controlling. Which i have no problem doing that, but it appears i can't stay connected full 24/7 for some reason to the allstarlink servers and with having to reboot the computer from time to time i can't keep the repeater up 100% in that type of configuration. Any thoughts on the above node 28079

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registration server down?
by James Nessen 08 Aug '12

08 Aug '12

Anyone else running into this? asterisk*CLI> iax2 show registry Host dnsmgr Username Perceived Refresh State 67.215.233.178:4569 N 27137 <Unregistered> 60 Request Sent 67.215.233.178:4569 N 2165 <Unregistered> 60 Request Sent asterisk*CLI> iax2 show registry Host dnsmgr Username Perceived Refresh State 67.215.233.178:4569 N 27137 <Unregistered> 60 Request Sent 67.215.233.178:4569 N 2165 <Unregistered> 60 Request Sent asterisk*CLI> iax2 show registry Host dnsmgr Username Perceived Refresh State 67.215.233.178:4569 N 27137 <Unregistered> 60 Timeout 67.215.233.178:4569 N 2165 <Unregistered> 60 Timeout just goes back and forth from request sent to timeout. Jim, K6JWN

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How to use DCS with DSP in Asterisk
by Brian Williams 08 Aug '12

08 Aug '12

I would like to know if there is a way to use DCS (DPL) instead of CTCSS?? I am using a URI and need to be able to use DSP in Asterisk to encode and decode DCS. Is there a way to do so? if so what is the format in usbradio.conf

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