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URI Audio Out
by Bob 20 Apr '14

20 Apr '14

I'm testing a URI on a server with a scope connected When I send audio to the URI (CLI> radio tune txvoice 500), PTT activates the red LED (scope confirms), and the scope responds to the LEFT_AC start and stop (ramped dc offset), but no tone. I've checked both channels. I'm wondering if I have something set incorrectly. What am I missing? Here are my tx settings. hdwtype=0 txboost=1 txctcssfreqs=107.2 txprelim=no txlimonly=no txtoctype=notone txmixa=composite txmixb=composite duplex=1 eeprom=0 Thanks, Bob kk6ecm

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Re: [App_rpt-users] RTCM Commands
by Wayne 20 Apr '14

20 Apr '14

@David, If RTCM's are appropriate for voting/simulcast, in your opinion what is? Surely not a URI. -----Original Message----- From: David McGough [mailto:kb4fxc@inttek.net] Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 3:25 AM To: Wayne Subject: RE: [App_rpt-users] RTCM Commands Wayne, Please see inline, below. On Fri, 18 Apr 2014, Wayne wrote: <snip> > > To address your specific questions, below: > > 1) Selling RC-210's should be simple enough (E-bay?). > > > [ I thought I saw something about not reselling them. At a minimum they have > to buy the software. ] > Well, the manufacturer can't stop you from reselling (unless you sign a draconian license agreement!) in the USA. You can't make extra copying of software. But, you can resell what you got, verbatim. > 2) Since you've got a private network and a public network involved, > that's fine. But, this is a somewhat complex networking task. You'll need > to get everything "talking together." I'm suspecting you'll want to > implement some VPN's (Virtual Private Networks) to accomplish this. I use > OpenVPN under Linux. It works great. BTW, I'm not sure RTCM's are the best > solution. And, you don't need a Windows box at each site. > > [ My intent is to vote/simulcast two of three sites and bring in a third > site on a different pair. Site 1-2 require a RTCM and Site 3 a URI, correct? > ][ I've never done anything with a VPN and don't know how to implement it. I > thought that given to IP's by my site vendor the RTCM's would talk on the > same network, albeit a VLAN. But how do I access it to control? How can I > bridge the public IP I have been given with the private VLAN? ] > You must have a Linux PC, running the AllStar software, on your network somewhere. URI boards attach via a USB interface (just like mice, keyboards, etc.). So, any place you have a URI you must also have a Linux PC. Note that if your Linux PC becomes unavailable (broken network, etc.), your RTCM's will go down, too! The RTCM's do have a very limited "failover" mode which should allow the repeater to stay on-line. But, it will be very crippled. As for the computer networking, I really recommend that you find knowledgeable local person to help. I've been doing this for 30 years and own a Internet software company that has VPN's in 70+ countries. Networks can get complex in a hurry! BTW, this isn't a sales pitch. My plate is already full and overflowing. But, some others on the mailing list might be able to help. If you don't mind, may I ask where these repeaters are that you're trying to get upgraded? How high are they (coverage radius?)? And, what frequencies? Which ones will be voted/simulcast and which stand-alone? I'll keep this in confidence. I trying to better understand your needs. > 2) There is an small, unavoidable audio delay from audio input to output > with AllStar. This is typical with any VoIP radio system, including full > digital systems like D-Star and DMR, etc. This delay isn't like the delay > found in traditional analog linked repeater systems, however. In older > linked systems, you'd have to hold the PTT down for a second or so to > allow all the transmitters to come on-line or you'd loose that initial > audio. AllStar digitally buffers the audio during propagation from any > member receiver to all member transmitters. So, the audio could be > buffered and delayed as much as several hundred milliseconds (a big > network!). But, not typically lost. > > [ I can deal with the delay. ] okay, and this isn't a problem in my experience. > > 3) As for persistent kerkhunkers and other issues, no hardware is going to > solve that. That is an etiquette problem. Over time, (most) users can be > trained to behave. Yes, I know you're saying: "Yeah, right. I hear you." > But, I help with several wide-coverage repeater systems, so, I've been > there, too. > > [ Jammer's that kerchunk to annoy cannot be trained. ] Jammers are a difficult subject. I am the president of a local ham club with some wide-coverage repeaters. By that, I mean we've got several repeaters, some with antennas as high as 1830 feet on a 2000ft tower, with flat surrounding terrain. Two of these systems have roughly 60+ mile HT coverage and 85+ mile mobile coverage area. We regularly have hams 110+ miles out hitting these repeaters with decent, but modest, base setups. Thankfully, we've got a number of technically competent hams who are good fox-hunters. Someone who regularly mis-behaves *will* get located and contacted appropriately. Unfortunately, this is part of life these days. On a positive note, the AllStar software can be configured to record all audio passing thru the system. The logs show the input source, etc., all timestamped. This helps a lot, too. IMO, much of the time, a jammer will give themselves away--accidentally giving their callsign, etc., at some point during the day; perhaps before they begin their jamming activity. Note that if you're already having serious jamming issues, simulcast/voting will likely only make this worse! > > 4) Yes, you can hook various systems together (WX radios, remote bases, > etc.) into a single network quite easily with AllStar. But, it will likely > take some complex scripting and networking to do, just like with any > controller. I don't fully understand the scope of what you're wanting and > as I mentioned above, trying to build the system here is beyond the scope > of this mailing list. > > [ I don't mean to be rude but this should be an easy task to do and > understand. We are an ECOMM repeater(s) and each site needs a WX receiver on > it. The commercial WX receivers have audio, COR, PTT and COS. I don't see > how this is beyond the scope of the mailing list. Can I connect such a > device using a URI? ] > Yes, you can certainly connect a WX receiver via a URI. But, remember that, except for possible redundancy, you only need one WX radio in the network. The exception to this would be if your network is so broad that the different WX alert messages are broadcast in different geographic locations. Again, remember that where there is a URI, there must be a Linux host running AllStar. > I understand your overwhelm! I would recommend getting started in small > steps, if possible. First, only put up a test repeater or remote base with > AllStar and get a grasp of how that is setup. Then, add a second AllStar > box and network the two together--take small steps. Now, if that's not a > possibility--meaning you've got to have the whole system on-line "like > tomorrow", you probably need to locate some expert help ASAP; due to the > big learning curve with this (or any other) complex VoIP system. > > [ I have plenty of time. I don't see our needs as complex at all. Two > voted/simulcast repeaters and a third repeater linked in. A WX receiver and > an Earthquake Alarm receiver on each repeater. ] True simulcast, even for a small system, is non-trivial. I say this with personal experience. Ask the tech folks for any municipality doing simulcast for public safety. It's quite easy to spend $millions$ making these systems truly work. I really, really recommend starting small. Get a single test system going and then start expanding. > Anyway, I hope this helps some. > > 73, David KB4FXC >

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Re: [App_rpt-users] odd URIx behavior
by Doug Crompton 20 Apr '14

20 Apr '14

Do you have the phase (invert/no invert) for PTT and/or COS in radio settings set correctly? When you are in CLI can you key/unkey (URI red light) manually with susb or radio command? Can you see radio key/unkey status on the screen? (hungup on screen) Can you see DTMF characters displayed as you type them on the keyed radio? 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 18:21:54 -0700 Subject: Re: [App_rpt-users] odd URIx behavior From: 41.2jim(a)gmail.com To: doug(a)crompton.com It's set at duplex 1 simplex node thats whats confusing Jim Frederick KF6QBW I Live to Transmit & Transmit to Live 446.600- 103.5 PL Repeater AllStar Node # 28839 Skype = jim41.2 On Sat, Apr 19, 2014 at 6:02 PM, Doug Crompton <doug(a)crompton.com> wrote: Sure sounds like you have duplex=2 in rpt.conf. If this is a simplex node set duplex=1 The install default is 2 - it really should be 1 as this would solve a lot of novice startup issues! 73 Doug WA3DSP http://www.crompton.com/hamradio Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 15:50:36 -0700 From: 41.2jim(a)gmail.com To: app_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org Subject: [App_rpt-users] odd URIx behavior green lite flashes like it is working but no receive audio until.... you kerchunk the node(weather connected to another node or HUB same issue must kerchunk it to here the audio and looks correct on the CLI screen connecting or disconnecting with no on screen errors at verbose 3) and then you get receive and when in TX no output audio at all and if you hold the the HT key the node will drop and come back to TX and drop again and will go on for ever (well 5 minutes worth) seems to hold TX for like 2 seconds then un-keys (drops TX) then keys up again on its own. History: the node did work for one day (both tx/rx) and the owner turned off the node, and unplugged for a thunder storm and on power up had this issue next day. After 3 different computers and same problem I'm left with either a software issue in the install(all 3 computers not likely) or its the URIx its self. I have set up 6 different Allstar nodes and have ran into a bunch of different problems and got them all fixed with the help of this group and I'm turning to the group again for help ....any ideas?? Thank you all in advance for the help Jim Frederick KF6QBW I Live to Transmit & Transmit to Live 446.600- 103.5 PL Repeater AllStar Node # 28839 Skype = jim41.2 _______________________________________________ App_rpt-users mailing list App_rpt-users(a)ohnosec.org http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users To unsubscribe from this list please visit http://ohnosec.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/app_rpt-users and scroll down to the bottom of the page. Enter your email address and press the "Unsubscribe or edit options button" You do not need a password to unsubscribe, you can do it via email confirmation. If you have trouble unsubscribing, please send a message to the list detailing the problem.

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code 1
by Russ WL7LP 20 Apr '14

20 Apr '14

Howdy Folks, My allstar box has been down for a few months due to not having Internet connection. I got internet back finally and I just fired it up my allstar box today it has my node 29332 and 29265 in it. once it boots up, I get Asterisk end with exit status 1 Asterisk died with code 1 Automatically restarting Asterisk mpg123: no process killed that will keep repeating over and over until I shut the machine off. can someone tell me why this is doing this. the system was running fine before the internet was lost 73 Russ WL7LP

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odd URIx behavior
by 41.2 Jim 20 Apr '14

20 Apr '14

green lite flashes like it is working but no receive audio until.... you kerchunk the node(weather connected to another node or HUB same issue must kerchunk it to here the audio and looks correct on the CLI screen connecting or disconnecting with no on screen errors at verbose 3) and then you get receive and when in TX no output audio at all and if you hold the the HT key the node will drop and come back to TX and drop again and will go on for ever (well 5 minutes worth) seems to hold TX for like 2 seconds then un-keys (drops TX) then keys up again on its own. History: the node did work for one day (both tx/rx) and the owner turned off the node, and unplugged for a thunder storm and on power up had this issue next day. After 3 different computers and same problem I'm left with either a software issue in the install(all 3 computers not likely) or its the URIx its self. I have set up 6 different Allstar nodes and have ran into a bunch of different problems and got them all fixed with the help of this group and I'm turning to the group again for help ....any ideas?? Thank you all in advance for the help Jim Frederick KF6QBW I Live to Transmit & Transmit to Live 446.600- 103.5 PL Repeater AllStar Node # 28839 Skype = jim41.2

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RTCM Duplex 3
by Steve Gebhard 19 Apr '14

19 Apr '14

Hi group, I recently flashed firmware on my thin clients, and want to loop audio locally in order to get rid of the echo on the audio path making the round trip to the server. I set the duplex 3 option on the RTCM to 1, and in rpt.conf duplex is set to 2, now I get a severe echo on local audio, like it's repeating locally in the RTCM and still making the trip over the internet link, what do I have set wrong? What do the numbers represent on the duplex 3 setting?

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RTCM Commands
by Wayne 19 Apr '14

19 Apr '14

After reading that IRLP is banned from use on an IRLP box I am saddened, but it makes my decision easier. I'll have to live without the RC-210's and go with Allstar. I have been told however that a RC-210 may be linked in with a URI but over-the-air DTMF will be confusing. We were going to use a computer for cell phone control. I would like to know what the command set is. Can someone point me to the controller commands? Such as kerchunk filter (if it has one), DTMF mute, etc. We do have a phone patch. I assume that since Asterisks is a PBX system a phone patch is built in somehow?

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IAXRPT Odd behaviour
by Keith Goobie 19 Apr '14

19 Apr '14

Good day all and a Happy Easter for those celebrating! Yesterday an odd behaviour emerged in my iaxrpt connectivity to our node(s). I have been able to access without incident for at least six months. Yesterday, I am able to connect, and stay connected, hearing audio when the node is active. I am unable to consistently make the node transmit. Most of the times not. When I check the logs I see the following two messages,which may or may not be related: * Linking delayed by activity, and / or * ScanaTicks expired I have been able to access from other sites, so I believe that the issue may be networking related at my end, but I am perplexed as at the time, I had not changed any of my networking configuration. Some changes have occurred in an effort to triage. Any thoughts or guidance would be appreciated. Cheers Keith / VA3YC -- keith(a)goobie.org Keith Goobie Richmond Hill, ON, CANADA

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[Appt_rptr-users] Thank You
by Wayne 19 Apr '14

19 Apr '14

I wanted to take a moment to thank all of you that have done your best to help me understand something that is new to me. I am eager to learn in spite of some conflicting information. At least there are many of you willing to help a green horn. I plan on buying two RTCM's on Monday and then I'm need to marry them to Motorola MSF 5000's. It is my understanding that wiring is a combination of the Marty connector and some test points. Your help in this area will be important unless the Drupal site already has the pin-outs. I am very much looking forward to a success! I am a quick learner - just point me in the right direction :-) Thank you. Wayne

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Sandbox DMR patched allstar
by jose 19 Apr '14

19 Apr '14

The DMR Sandbox is a project sponsored by DMR-MARC <http://dmr-marc.net/> for experimenters who want to develop new features specifically for amateur radio DMR while not disrupting a large and stable network with many users. While DMR-MARC is a very structured network focused on stability and availability in 19 countries, the DMR Sandbox is much smaller. Patches between DMR and other technologies such as D-Star, Allstar, Echolink, and IRLP are permitted on the Sandbox network. However, the sandbox network does not feature any connections to DMR-MARC, DCI, or Hytera international, national, or statewide DMR networked talkgroups. The DMR-Sandbox is a unique network, with unique talkgroups, and a unique purpose! To learn more or contact the DMR Sandbox custodian visit: http://dmr-marc.net/sandbox.html -or- just visit http://dmr-marc.net <http://dmr-marc.net/> and click on "Innovators" at the top of the page. 73, Mike, AA9VI

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